Re: [tor-talk] [liberationtech] Not another Haystack right?

[Andrew <andrew@xxxxxxxxxx>]

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On 12/2/2011 4:19 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> This also works against Tor in many cases, where people might
> understand it is the best option, but will use a less safe VPN or
> single-hop proxy, because they want something 'faster' or need to
> stream a YouTube video in Flash. In that case, they are following
> the wrong instincts, but it is the same mechanic at play

We have to be more pragmatic tor is horrendously slow/unusable in some
of these countries, and as long as you take some steps like not using
single hop for either Proxies or VPNs, then you are addressing the
treat model that they face, not one that we are making up in our
heads. I realize that it is not perfect, and there is a trade off, but
people on the ground are looking at it and making that choice for
themselves.

I've spent a lot of time working on issues with Syria lately, the
universal report is that tor is terrible slow, they can't use tails
because it takes too long to download/ is blocked, and their data
might leak if if they use Tor, so using a VPN with some precautions
taken is much more appetizing.

- -Andrew
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