Re: [tor-talk] (D)DOS over Tor network ? Help !

[Cyrus <cyrus_the_great@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I concur that this is a serious problem and at the moment anyone can
censor any hidden service at will. These attacks use little bandwidth,
and seem to involve each request having a new rendezvous for each
attempt, using lots of resources. can't imagine a fix myself at this point.

fuckyouhosting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> On 2014-12-02 21:45, l.m wrote:
>>> Perhaps the new implementation of the hidden services will be better
>> ?
>>> How is it going ?
>>
>> I don't see anything in the improvements suggested for hidden services
>> that would help this situation. Though I would be grateful for being
>> corrected.
>>
>> First, I just want to say I only meant sheep(s) to emphasize that you
>> don't know how many black sheep you have participating. I mentioned
>> the part about this potentially being an attack external to Tor out of
>> concern for your participation in a de-anonymizing attack on your
>> hosted HS. I see your HS's are offline while you troubleshoot this so
>> that's good. Next, I'm confused by what you describe. Sorry I deleted
>> your previous email so I may repeat some things you already said.
>>
>> - no evidence of any HS being flooded from logs. No evidence of a load
>> on any particular HS.
>> and
>> - next to no bandwidth consumption. Does this include no processor
>> use? I don't recall if that was mentioned before.
>>
>> - no evidence is apparent from checking REND_QUERY=HS. So no request
>> to rendezvous. Might make sense given little/no traffic.
>>
>> - your guards go offline. This is contradictory. If the attack is
>> within Tor via a HS it implies the HS traffic *reliably* makes it to
>> at least your guard before you experience the symptomatic overload and
>> timeout. Meaning there must be traffic you can detect. Otherwise the
>> attacker would likely lose their connection to the rendezvous point
>> (at least sometimes) by committing to the attack. What I mean is in
>> order for this to be an attack via malicious HS it would need to
>> succeed in not timing out until the traffic reaches your guard and
>> server. That's two circuits that must work before failing at your
>> guard. Not to mention you already tried changing the guards. It just
>> seems implausible to occur reliably enough to take your server down.
>> This assumes little/no traffic and no heavy cpu usage.
>>
>> -- Now I don't know how you setup your logging but I assume you would
>> know if there was a load on any particular site or flood. I can
>> suggest beefing up this part of the auditing trail. You could use
>> proxy (on the same server) in your server blocks (Nginx?) for each HS
>> (or in batches). Then you can use SPI to analyses the traffic of each
>> proxy for a build up of use that might be causing your timeouts.
>> Though I don't see the use if your logging is as good as you
>> mentioned.
>>
>> If there's no traffic, no cpu usage, no evidence of HS load except
>> your guards are timing out--I'm back to the implausible. Two circuits
>> that reliably take down your guards. There *has* to be traffic on your
>> side you can measure or some load indicator. Either that or the attack
>> is external to Tor. On the other hand you could reply and say 'yeh
>> lots of cpu use'. In which case sorry for wasting your time. If there
>> is alot of cpu use the VM-partitioning solution is the best solution
>> as it would guarantee at least some guards available to your other
>> HS's. It also provides you more granular control over hardware
>> allocation. Either way you have to assume at some point you will be
>> targeted externally (from Tor) to de-anonymize your HS's. Shared
>> hosting.. many HS's.. you're an eavesdropping goldmine.
>>
>> -- leeroy bearr
> 
> 
> Hi, thanks for supporting.
> 
> As a reminder, here is the archive for this thread:
> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2014-December/035807.html
> 
> And that's December:
> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2014-December/thread.html
> 
> Problem is still going on, let's recap:
> 
> Tor goes 100% CPU only when (re)starting and publishing the HS, this
> takes around 5 minutes,
> after that, it uses about 1% - 5% of 1 core.
> 
> We _are_ able to see the access.log and error.log of each virtual host,
> since they are simple nginx vhosts.
> We also have a script that records the access.log size on mysql, we use
> that script to delete unused accounts.
> We confirm that both access.log and error.log doesn't move of an inch,
> basically there is no http traffic.
> 
> Bandwidth usage is consistently around 5KB - 15KB / second.
> 
> Currently we disabled from torrc the most visited vhosts, have a look at
> this:
> 
> http://fuckyouhotwkd3xh.onion/ (working)
> http://ijaw6sx25rzose3c.onion/ (working)
> http://3xsrosyv52vefh2l.onion/ (working)
> http://v5uhidj456rn4cra.onion/ (working)
> http://za3uovobxijq4grb.onion/ (not working)
> http://4vxnpigkblvmud4i.onion/ (not working)
> http://3jfbvyg5pggg7mfg.onion/ (not working)
> 
> this is a list of the HS we are currently hosting. We tried more
> addresses but in short, it looks like only 10% of the HS are working.
> 
> Those are the Tor logs of the current session:
> 
> Dec 03 XXX [notice] Bootstrapped 90%: Establishing a Tor circuit.
> Dec 03 XXX [notice] Tor has successfully opened a circuit. Looks like
> client functionality is working.
> Dec 03 XXX [notice] Bootstrapped 100%: Done.
> Dec 03 XXX [notice] Your Guard regar42 (XXX) is failing more circuits
> than usual. Most likely this means the Tor network is overloaded.
> Success counts are 120/181. Use counts are 453/453. 120 circuits
> completed, 0 were unusable, 0 collapsed, and 0 timed out. For reference,
> your timeout cutoff is 91 seconds.
> Dec 03 XXX [warn] Your Guard regar42 (XXX) is failing a very large
> amount of circuits. Most likely this means the Tor network is
> overloaded, but it could also mean an attack against you or potentially
> the guard itself. Success counts are 120/241. Use counts are 453/453.
> 120 circuits completed, 0 were unusable, 0 collapsed, and 0 timed out.
> For reference, your timeout cutoff is 91 seconds.
> Dec 03 XXX [warn] Your Guard regar42 (XXX) is failing an extremely large
> amount of circuits. This could indicate a route manipulation attack,
> extreme network overload, or a bug. Success counts are 60/241. Use
> counts are 453/453. 60 circuits completed, 0 were unusable, 0 collapsed,
> and 0 timed out. For reference, your timeout cutoff is 91 seconds.
> Dec 03 XXX [notice] We'd like to launch a circuit to handle a
> connection, but we already have 32 general-purpose client circuits
> pending. Waiting until some finish.
> Dec 03 XXX [notice] Your Guard TorKuato (XXX) is failing more circuits
> than usual. Most likely this means the Tor network is overloaded.
> Success counts are 105/151. Use counts are 81/81. 105 circuits
> completed, 0 were unusable, 0 collapsed, and 2063 timed out. For
> reference, your timeout cutoff is 60 seconds.
> (after 5 minutes)
> Dec 03 XXX [notice] We'd like to launch a circuit to handle a
> connection, but we already have 32 general-purpose client circuits
> pending. Waiting until some finish. [749254 similar message(s)
> suppressed in last 600 seconds]
> (after another 5 minutes)
> Dec 03 XXX [notice] We'd like to launch a circuit to handle a
> connection, but we already have 32 general-purpose client circuits
> pending. Waiting until some finish. [398 similar message(s) suppressed
> in last 600 seconds]
> (after 20 minutes)
> Dec 03 XXX [notice] We'd like to launch a circuit to handle a
> connection, but we already have 32 general-purpose client circuits
> pending. Waiting until some finish. [6 similar message(s) suppressed in
> last 600 seconds]
> 
> We are running all this on a small VPS with 1GB of RAM.
> The RAM finishes quickly but there is plenty of free swap.
> The service was running fine with much more hidden services, on the same
> hardware.
> We could increase the RAM but doubt that's the problem.
> 
> Again .. any Tor developer willing to dig into this ?
> Ours is an experimental project, there is nothing business-oriented here.
> If we are pushing the limits of hidden services capabilities, or really
> are under a low-level Tor based attack, isn't this a good chance to
> improve Tor's hidden service code
> or just improve Tor's hidden service _logging_ code ?
> 
> Perhaps we should post this on tor-dev ?

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