Re: [tor-talk] German Laywer Sasse & Partner call to order / German Abmahnung

["Nurmi, Juha" <juha.nurmi@xxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

Sure we will help you and do not worry.

First of all, this is a civil case and they just try to scare you from
downloading with Bittorrent. Because you are not doing that and are able to
tell them about this they will eventually leave you alone.

However, do not write anything unrelated technical or "not 100% proof of my
guilt". Instead, you need to give a very simple and short answer to them,
including 1) you have not ever used Bittorrent and have not downloaded
anything 2) you are running Tor exit node which is an Internet router that
is transferring third party traffic and you do not know the end users nor
have any logs 3) show them that this Tor exit node is working under the law
of German (I am not from German but I know that this law is there
somewhere. Hopefully, someone will post it soon).

Further, this might be useful to know:
http://falsecolour.com/aw/sasse/sasse.html

Relax :)

Greetings,
Juha Nurmi


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:03 PM, T F <torabused@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hey Leo,
>
> thank you very much! I already read that Templates, but there is nothing
> about P2P Traffic.
> I already tried to setup a letter for the lawyer which has corresponding
> information about the Tor Exit Node. But I am not really concerned about
> telling him that Information!!! He is in the offending Position, I do not
> know if it is a good Idea to tell him too much about my activity! He finds
> a way to get me down.
>
> I am currently thinking about, telling him that the Guardly Ltd. did a big
> misstake in sorting my IP-Adress out of their traffic. I also told them
> that P2P is only working when yourself is offering Upload and Download at
> the same time. If you want an IPAdress of an Torrent Client you have to
> download the File yourself and then you offer the first bit you downloaded
> by yourself and they are also guilty by detecting others, they support the
> sharing of files by their work. No one can proof this, but they also could
> not 100% proof my guilty alone with the IP-Adress and some Data they
> captured. ^^
>
> Also my Tor Exit Node only allows 10 MB in one session, so the P2P user get
> cut off after 10 MB and is relayd to another Exit node. I never could offer
> the whole File transfare about my own one node tor exit.
>
> Can someone proof my way of arguments.
>
> thank you
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Leo Unglaub <leo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > On 02/06/2014 12:03 PM, T F wrote:
> > > I need arguments for the Answer to the Laywer and need some support
> from
> > > the Tor Community. Cause I am and feel not guilty! I haven't done
> > something
> > > wrong in my view, but I am the owner of my Internet Accesspoint and in
> > > Germany I am personally responsible for any abuses which causes from my
> > > Internet Access!
> >
> > there are some templates you can use in this case. They are documented
> > here:
> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorAbuseTemplates
> >
> > Greetings
> > Leo
> >
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