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Re: [tor-talk] Using Mumble with Tor
I thought Mumble data packets were encrypted to the server and back out to
the other participants.
If so, they would have to decrypt the packets first to get your voice for
matching.
Are the mumble data packets not encrypted?
Unless you are referring to somone logging in
to a chat room and recording the voices from there?
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:52 AM, David Huerta <huertanix@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:58 PM, adrelanos <adrelanos@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > David Huerta:
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > I've put together a guide on how to use Mumble (TCP only!) with Tor if
> > > anyone would find that sort of thing handy:
> > >
> >
> http://huertanix.tumblr.com/post/55261352264/location-anonymous-voice-communication-a-step-by-step
> > .
> >
> > Thanks for doing that. Seems you're good at writing tutorials. Maybe we
> > can share/remix? Under which license is your tutorial?
> >
> >
> Just added a CC-BY 3.0 badge to the post, feel free to
> remix/share/sell/etc.
>
>
> > Some time ago I wrote about anonymous Voip as well, although its a bit
> > Whonix specific, since the confidence of not leaking anything comes from
> > the Whonix design. Many other points are portable though, it also
> > includes using Voip clients/ZRTP.
> >
> > I recommended using a hidden service as mumble server.
> >
> > https://whonix.org/wiki/Voip
> >
> >
> A mumble server as a hidden instance is something I thought about but I
> couldn't figure out where to start at the time. Glad there's some
> documentation on it though, I'll take a look! A few friends of mine have
> been experimenting with mumble over tor a lot so we'd definitely be
> interested in spending some time trying out a Whonix mumble hidden service
> setup.
>
>
> > > * Assuming it can be detected after being filtered/optimized to a pulp,
> > > the hum of the mains frequency of the electrical grid might tip off
> > > which country you're in based in.
> >
> > Yes, and a voice recording of yours leads straight to you (voice
> > recognition)? I assume the voice of every person has made a
> > non-anonymous call and been sampled at least once (PRISM), probable a
> > sane assumption. Comparing that with a voice sample from the anonymous
> > server, and its no longer anonymous.
> >
> > In conclusion, I think the only safe use cases for Voip or Tor are
> > location hiding while not being anonymous; hiding who is talking to
> > whom; and talking to people you trust while hiding that you are talking
> > to them and your locations from outside observers.
> >
>
> That's roughly what I meant by location-anonymity, but I realize I never
> really explained the term in my post; I've added an addendum to the post
> which explains that and lists potential issues mentioned here and in the
> HeatSync Labs mailing list.
>
> --
> david [.dh] huerta
> davidhuerta.me
>
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