Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and Anonymity

[Juan <juan.g71@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 18:32:27 +0100
Mark McCarron <mark.mccarron@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Alex,
> 
> You must be living in a fantasy land.  The problem still remains, Tor
> is vulnerable to a global view and that global view exists according
> to Snowden.  Further, it would appear that Tor was designed to fit
> into that global view and provide US intelligence with the locations
> of both users and hidden services, whilst pretending to provide
> anonymity.
> 
> I don't see anyone denying it.  Do you?

	Well, Roger Dingledine  said 

	¨I've tried to tolerate the conspiracy theories / trolling here,
	since there are legitimate worries to be had about what attacks
	various adversaries may have come up with,¨

	Keywords being ¨legitimate worries¨.

	I find it funny(entertaining) that whereas key tor people are
	willing to admit that the picture isnt exactly rosy, 

	www.ohmygodel.com/publications/usersrouted-ccs13.pdf 

	several voices in  this list seem to be pretending
	exactly the opposite.  And some of them candidly admit ¨ I am
	not a mathematician, statistician nor Tor programmer¨ (Zenaan) 

	----------------

	Question for the experts out there, both real and imagined. 

	Is freenet´s distributed data storage more robust than tor´s
	model? (assume tor is being used only as storage)

	Or is freenet just as susceptible to traffic analysis as tor
	is? 

	

J




	
	


	









	




> 
> Its been 6 days already.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark McCarron
> 
> > From: fuerschpiu@xxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 18:39:13 +0200
> > To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor
> > Security and	Anonymity
> > 
> > Please Mccarron, 
> > 
> > The discussion is dead. You killed it yourself by not adding
> > anything meaningful as far as I have seen. You just repeat yourself
> > again and again as if it's a mantra. You got statistics to back up
> > your claims? Good - show them! You got the script you used to track
> > the onions? Awesome! Show it so we can see for ourselves and use it
> > too! 
> > 
> > As others pointed out already: give us something to work with, else
> > you can just pack up and troll another list as far as I am
> > concerned. 
> > 
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