Re: IRCNet abuse

[tor <tor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Gee.. you really should actually read the text of the ECPA... 
examination of individual emails is perfectly OK
with the courts as long as it was done on a service monitoring 
basis(i.e. the mails kicked into that bucket could have malware embedded 
, evidence of illegal transactions/blackmail/threats  etc(and working 
formerly as a mail admin for a large ISP all of this was encountered)) 
if you need/want privacy then USE encryption to the final delivery 
point  else EXPECT monitoring..

THIS IS REALITY..

    as far as Rude or unethical.. I consider it Rude and unethical to 
use a privacy system to harass or intimidate people spread malware, 
control Trojans(very common under IRC) , it has been my experience that 
this often happens, and I DONT care for an innocent being attacked by 
using the hardware/network connection I provide, there are such things 
as civil liability torts you know, if I was negligent in stopping this 
kind of attack appearing to originate from MY network connection, I 
could be sued quite successfully on this basis as I operate from a 
business NOT an EDU where University lawyers will defend the 
Universities property when it is misused by a student.



   A tor operator

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Jonathan D. Proulx wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 12:10:35PM -0700, tor wrote:
> :Gee... if it can be exposed by sniffing then it isnt much of a privacy 
> :network. 
>
> The network doesn't protect people from themselves.  Talking on
> unencrypted IRC and expecting privacy is silly.
>
> :Tor operators/developers should Always sniff their servers 
> :traffic at least occasionally to see if holes or information is being 
> :exposed.
>
> statistical analysis of traffic patterns is one thing, reading
> people's IRC conversations is another entirely.
>
> :
> : A tor/patcher who always sniffs his server traffic
> :
> :
> :   a tor user
> :ps not only is it NOT rude it is completely legal in the US at least to 
> :monitor the traffic to/from a given server if you own that server, this 
> :is completely a legal action under ECPA.
>
>
> INAL, but I wouldn't want to put that to the test in court.  Can your
> ISP admins read your mail?  I don't think so (employers are
> different), and this is directly analogous.
>
> I make no determination on the legality on the US or elsewhere, but it
> is most certainly rude and unethical.
>