Re: [tor-talk] New Tor project idea for internet comments

["Lee Malek" <leemalek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

99% of censorship happens on blog comments. This kind of project would help to force an open dialog.

If we aren't going on the offensive against censorship we will lose eventually. The power is in the hands of those who control the message. And those who control the media control the message. This would allow us to break through the shit and get a counter-message out right on their own websites.

There is a way to accomplish this.

Also, we need to start thinking about message control, not just governments blocking certain sites. The elites fear the internet and anonymity because of the possibility of losing control of the message/ the dialog ,whatever you want to call it.

Putting the message in the hands of the people is the best thing that could ever happen for US and the worst thing for them.





-------- Original Message --------
From: Juan <juan.g71@xxxxxxxxx>
Apparently from: tor-talk-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] New Tor project idea for internet comments
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 17:26:32 -0300

> On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 14:11:33 -0500
> "Lee Malek" <leemalek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > This has nothing to do with people censoring tor users and everything
> > to do with normal blogs censoring normal users because they don't
> > like their comments. I am thinking mainly of the USA here. This will
> > be a problem as time progresses.
> 
> 
> 	Don't bother. The party line here is to 'fight' for 'freedom'
> 	in places where the american imperialist military has problems
> 	gathering 'intelligence'. 
> 
> 	Prime example : A country like china is firewalled  so the 
> 	pentagon can't spy on the chinese internet directly. Hence,
> 	tor. 
> 
> 	And of course, in a place like the US you're going to find
> 	extensive censorship in 'public' and 'private' websites. Hell
> 	that is American Freedom! In a united state people should be
> 	free to censor any kind of disent. 
> 
> 
> > 
> > This allows sharing of information directly on news sites, safely and
> > anonymously, completely circumventing their censoring of other
> > political views. How is this not the place for something like this?
> > 
> > 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > From: michael ball <michaelballriseup@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Apparently from: tor-talk-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] New Tor project idea for internet comments
> > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 11:39:05 -0700
> > 
> > > This isn't technically feasible-- for example, censored users in
> > > countries with slow Internet speeds (Iran, Cuba, Syria) would be
> > > unable to connect to the network by being forced to relay
> > > connections if they install the browser plugin. The Tor network
> > > relies on volunteers who have the ability to quickly and safely
> > > relay traffic to do so, and users who do not have those abilities
> > > are not at a disadvantage.
> > > 
> > > Tor developers, community members and volunteers could better spend
> > > the time creating this system for something that yields more
> > > results, like actually encouraging the websites who censor Tor
> > > users to not do so-- they should rather use a CAPTCHA system or
> > > another form of human verification (that does not break anonymity).
> > > 
> > > > So many news website block comments they dont like these days.
> > > 
> > > This isn't something new or exclusive to Tor users. Anyone who
> > > creates a website with a comment system can censor and prune the
> > > comments they don't agree with. I do agree, a separate comment
> > > system would be great at fighting the censorship by websites, but
> > > it isn't something the Tor developers should focus on.
> > > 
> > > Good idea, but not exactly the right place. Thanks for the idea, and
> > > welcome to the Tor mailing list!
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