Re: [tor-talk] Alternatives to Tor Browser?

[Ben Tasker <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> The article is poorly written, and describes "alternatives" very poorly,
> or down right incorrectly.

That was largely my impression too - the title of the article is
'Alternatives to Tor Browser' and asserts that Tor is broken, but then
proceeds to list examples of software that use Tor as an alternative. If
you don't like TBB then I suppose it might have some value, but the thrust
of the article doesn't really align with the statement they start by making.

I think the author probably doesn't entirely understand the technology in
use, or to some extent the threats - "The NSA has attempted to break the
Tor browserâs encryption and has been successful to a small extent".

Subgraph's site/description does make it look quite hopeful. Even if it
were available though, I'd also be dubious about it given the small
development team when compared to the alternatives.

Ben

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Speak Freely <when2plus2is5@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> My two cents:
>
> The article is poorly written, and describes "alternatives" very poorly,
> or down right incorrectly.
>
> There are alternatives out there, but they missed quite a few good ones.
> And they glossed over the fact that the article was about how Tor has
> been compromised, while at the very same time suggesting using
> alternative software that uses Tor. That's not an alternative.
>
> - Tails uses the Tor network and TBB.
> - Subgraph uses Tor.
>
>
> Now... Subgraph looks interesting. But what's the point? Their time
> would have been better spent forking Tails, instead of attempting to
> re-invent the wheel from the ground up. Or jump onto the Hurd project
> and get that damn thing working.
>
> The Tor community uses well established software (Debian for Tails,
> Firefox for Tor Browser, Thunderbird for TorBirdy) and modifies them to
> be as secure as possible.
>
> Subgraph claims they wrote their own code from scratch. This is an...
> ideological decision... but I would always take open source software
> reviewed by thousands of users, possibly tens of thousands over the
> years for Debian, over open source software reviewed by possibly dozens
> of users.
>
> But more to the point, Subgraph isn't available. Development of Subgraph
> mail appears to have stopped August 2014, their last blog post was over
> 5 months ago, and there exists nothing for Subgraph OS to download/review.
>
> All that being said, it is possible these guys from Montreal are
> fantastic developers with mad 1337 skills that can revolutionize the
> internet. Time will tell.
>
>
> Again - my two cents.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Matt
> Speak Freely
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