Re: [tor-talk] fwd: FBI Is Pushing Back Against Judge's Order to Reveal Tor Browser Exploit

[Rick Evans <tmovoice@xxxxxxxxx>]

Tor was broken in beta long before it mainstream.  What would you day if I
said there was a list of every tor user and relay and that list was started
when there were as few as 800 users???  Saw the list way back when.  the
government is willing to spend 7.55 billion to get into our shorts at the
airport.
What makes you think they wouldn't spend a couple million to make a bunch
of tor relays that don't  play by the rules and swamp the system with a
bunch of Tor Spybot relays?  Who needs vulnerabilities.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Joe Btfsplk <joebtfsplk@xxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>
> On 5/19/2016 1:31 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
>> On 5/19/16, krishna e bera <keb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/18/2016 11:40 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm surprised there are no discussions or questions on tor-talk about
>>>> this issue .
>>>> Since any exploits - whether due to "flaws" in Firefox or TBB, or not -
>>>> potentially have broader implications & applications.
>>>>
>>>> Normally, there'd be many comments on far less serious but important
>>>> issues.
>>>> I doubt comments are being censored.
>>>>
>>> Actually i am not surprised there are few comments from the Tor
>>> community - maybe not smart to discuss legal strategy in the open...
>>>
>> See that on sl4shd0t all the time - "market testing" "think testing"
>> etc - unknown entity wants to know current 'think' and potential of an
>> idea, just throw it up on slashdot and many people chime in, giving
>> away their best thoughts and insights to anonymous entity without any
>> thought to contributing to a specific libre project. Action is
>> important, ideas are otherwise used by those with money in our
>> capitalist greed oriented instant gratification society.
>>
> Point(s) accepted.  But... if it's often a better idea not to openly
> discuss matters involving legal or potential flaws / bugs, possibly
> directly affecting Tor or Firefox users, we may not follow that strategy
> very consistently.
>
> "Discussing" an issue doesn't have to & shouldn't involve giving away
> secret / previously unannounced valuable strategies or counter measures to
> attacks or hacking methods.  However, seems like once any software,
> network  or best practices changes are made, the enemies will figure them
> out soon enough.
>
> Even if nothing of value is given to the enemy, users on this list &
> elsewhere usually discuss hot topics w/ serious implications - sometimes
> excessively.
>
> We discuss general ideas on topics like how to disrupt LEAs & others from
> identifying users of Tor & other software; how LEAs might have identified
> users *and* strategies on how it could be prevented or minimized.  And much
> more.  Maybe some of those discussions are really bad ideas.  It just
> struck me as odd that this topic was one of very few when most tor-talk
> subscribers decided to adhere to communication silence.  I haven't checked
> other related lists or forums.
>
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