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Re: [tor-talk] Tor no longer works with win2K ??

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Sebastian Hahn <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'll pretend you didn't insult me and the rest of the Tor dev team, and
> try and get your question answered. I've snipped the useless
> allegations.
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Anon Mus wrote:
>> Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2011 02:39 AM, Anon Mus wrote:
>>>> I got a message to upgrade my Tor version..
>>>> Nov 10 10:20:45.953 [Warning] Please upgrade! This version of Tor
>>>> ( is obsolete, according to the directory authorities.
>>>> Recommended versions are:,,,
>>>> But (as before) the latest versions of the expert install do not work.
>>>> Here's the stable..
>>>> Nov 10 10:17:10.093 [Notice] Tor v0.2.2.34 (git-c4eae752f0d157ce). This
>>>> is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity.
>>>> (Running on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 [workstation])
>>> Just as a general warning, I suspect the Random Number Generator on
>>> Windows 2000 is not so great. I would seriously consider installing a
>>> recent Operating system or booting a tails live CD.
>>> All the best,
>>> Jacob
>> As I understand it the random number generator in win2k is the same as the one in WinNT, Win2003, WinXP and Windows Vista.
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/13/windows_random_number_gen_flawed/
>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9048438/Microsoft_confirms_that_XP_contains_random_number_generator_bug
>> http://www.segobit.com/rng.htm
>> Does this mean support for these Windows OSes is also to be withdrawn?
> Nobody said anything about withdrawing support because of this. Note
> that Jake spoke of suspicion. Recommending against the use of Operating
> Systems that have reached their end of life and no longer have security
> support is also just common sense, and it isn't surprising that WinNT
> or WinXP pre-SP have extremely bad security problems. Does this really
> surprise you at all?
> By just reading the articles you linked to above, you will see that
> MS claims the attack is fixed in the most recent version of Windows XP.
> You don't provide any kind of evidence that it is still a problem on
> those systems.
>> Perhaps you can ensure a full explanation is placed a warning on the Torproject web site otherwise lots of users will be using Windows operating systems which are vulnerable.
> It's not entirely clear what the implications are, from what I understand.
>> Obviously my questions are still NOT being answered, I QUOTE,
> Maybe that is because you demand a fully qualified answer within six
> hours, while you fail to provide a good bug report? Typically, bugs
> get reported to https://bugs.torproject.org, where the developers
> actually expect them.
>> I re-iterate, can I get a reply from someone on the tor dev team about this ERROR and whether Win2k is being supported now or not?
> Here's the reply from someone on the tor dev team: "Exciting! It seems
> you've found a bug on Windows 2000 systems, we should totally debug that
> and see if we can get it fixed! Unfortunately, we don't have a windows
> 2000 system around to debug this ourselves, and this is the only report
> we've gotten about trouble so far. Please try and provide more input
> about your system, the other software that you run, and if you have any
> experience debugging software so we may help you get this issue
> resolved.
> If we have to conclude that the expert Bundle doesn't work on Windows
> 2000 anymore for whatever reason, I'm afraid we'll have to drop support
> for it unless someone else steps in to provide the necessary fixes."

Just for general info. I had been using Win 2000 for a bridge server.
When I went to update with  the Videlia package, It would not execute
telling me that something to the effect it wasn't being updated
because of out of date and only the Expert package would work ( or
something like that, it has been several week now ).

I installed the Expert package and it was was working fine for bridge
usage. However I did get rid of W2K and went to another Win OS.

For me, it was still working approx 6 weeks ago on W2K.


So I tried to see
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