Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

[Eugen Leitl <eugen@xxxxxxxxx>]

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From: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:00:50 -0600
To: NANOG <nanog@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if
	you can.

I think service providers are afforded special protections because the
law recognizes their utility and the inability of the service provider
to be responsible for the actions of all of their customers.  The major
problem is that not every individual has the same protections.  A lot of
ISPs are actually also CLECs or LECs that are protected as licensed
telecom carriers.

ISPs also do not "allow strangers to do whatever they want"  ISPs have
responsibilities to act on DCMA notices and CALEA requests from law
enforcement.  These are things that Tor exit nodes are not capable of
doing.  If you were an ISP and could not respond to CALEA requests, you
will find yourself out of business in a big hurry.

Steven Naslund

-----Original Message-----
From: George Herbert [mailto:george.herbert@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:51 PM
To: Tom Beecher; NANOG
Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help
if you can.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Tom Beecher <tbeecher@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Assuming it's true, it was bound to happen. Running anything , TOR or 
> otherwise, that allows strangers to do whatever they want is just
folly.

Such as, say, an Internet Service Provider business?

...

--
-george william herbert
george.herbert@xxxxxxxxx


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