On 10/11/2013 1:41 PM, mick wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:51:24 +0000 Matt Pagan <matt@xxxxxxxx> allegedly wrote:Hi Matt No problem. However, whilst we do have the beginnings of very intrusive network censorship in the UK (some ISPs are more pliable than others... ...you could equally say "change your ISP to one with some balls". UK users should stay away from the majors (BT, Virgin, talk-talk, O2, Sky, EE etc) and use one of the multiple independents.... If enough UK users vote with their wallets, ISPs may be more inclined to grow a pair. ...
Voting w/ your feet / wallet sometimes works, when consumers have choices.In some locales, there are very few affordable alternatives & ISPs know this, when that's the case.
Another unknown or forgotten fact is, these ISPs & communications co's get paid BIG bucks for their "research & report preparation time," to hand over requested records (logs) of particular individuals. This is to comply w/ general warrants, nsl's, etc. The ISP's / mobile communications co's even showed how many requests they got / yr & how much revenue it generated.
An ordinary co. or citizen with "info they were interested in," wouldn't get a dime for gathering & preparing the data to hand over. In fact, they'd say, "hand it over NOW or we'll throw you in jail & fine you."
I've seen actual invoices from several large communications providers. They didn't show the targets of requested info, just dates of the requests, how much the gov't was billed, etc.
It apparently was public info (or released, somehow). You can find these in general searches. It was astonishing what they charged for such little info.
That may?? be ONE reason (are probably many) that certain "agencies" claimed they needed to ignore the constitution & just listen in w/ their own equip. Although, it's hard to believe they'd ever recoup the huge capital outlay, for the equip necessary to monitor many millions of users, by not having to pay ISPs' - "research & report preparation fees."
But, they're not paying for it (in any country) - the taxpayers are. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk