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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] tor browser speed.
From: Jan Nielsen <jan.nielsen135@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 04:46:34 -0600
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>    1. Re: orWall 1.0.0 released! (Mike Perry)
>    2. bbc horizons fairly recent Re:  Tor in the media (stn)
>    3. Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf] (Virgil Griffith)
>    4. Re: Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf] (stn)
>    5. Re: Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf] (Mirimir)
>    6. Re: Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf] (Virgil Griffith)
>    7. Re: Tor Browser default window size (Hartmut Haase)
>    8. Tor Browser speed (Hartmut Haase)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 15:27:12 -0700
> From: Mike Perry <mikeperry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] orWall 1.0.0 released!
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> CJ:
> > On 04/10/14 00:27, Mike Perry wrote:
> > > Also looking forward to the "Logs" window doing something :)
> >
> > Same for me. This part will be complicated due to different kernel
> > capabilities:
> > some supports LOG target, other NFLOG, and the latter doesn't provide
> > any nflog reader in the ROM (heya, Cyanogenmod, you're brain-dead on
> this!).
> > Thus it means:
> > - detecting which kind of log is supported
> > - create some UI in order to activate logs (already have some ideas)
> > - inject some binary in the system for nflog support
> > - ? and many other things.
>
> Yeah, sounds messy. Though from the droidwall days, I thought that LOG +
> dmesg was the common denominator, but I've been running Cyanogenmod for
> a long time...
>
> > Maybe this can be avoided, as AFWall+ is considering providing some
> > intents as API end-points. This would mean:
> > - install orWall
> > - install AFWall+
> > and you'll get the best of both worlds, as AFWall will take care of the
> > iptables and log interfaces, just executing orWall orders?
>
> Hrmm. Let's hope that AFWall is being careful with this.
>
> I get nervous when I hear that root apps are going to start exposing
> APIs and Intents to configure stuff at the request of other apps.
>
> This is especially risky when we're talking about stuff like iptables
> commands that are destined for shell/direct execution. There's just too
> many ways to mess that up and open up potentially remote exploitable
> root holes (which even webpages can sometimes exploit in the case of
> Intents).
>
> --
> Mike Perry
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:31:45 -0400
> From: stn <stn@xxxxxx>
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tor-talk] bbc horizons fairly recent Re:  Tor in the media
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> robert pointed me back to the media archive at tor.  thanks.
>
> nice cache there.  i like how the OGV format doesn't take any time to view
> over a browser in addition to its open/free nature. other formats or
> containers include avi mov webm mp4.
>
> vlc seems to play everything so far.
>
> this video looks fairly recent ( this BBC season ) and includes another
> identifyable activist who used tor and reasonably concluded it protected
> her upon interrogation by secret police.
>
>
> https://media.torproject.org/video/BBC%20Horizon%202014-2015%20Episode%204%20-%20Inside%20the%20Dark%20Web-fTjNkbLBEqg.mp4
>
> syrian activist
> time
> about 29:55 into vid.
>
> this video looks like an attempt to gently wake people up as well as (of
> course) mentioning the  deep dark boogey net.
>
> a quick survey might categorize it the video?  ?
>
> traces networked anonymity concerns back to david chaum in early 80s.
>
> near the intro a journalist demos a smartphone on a street corner and
> about 25 wifi hosts. that's allot of redundnant signal convergence
> available for location estimation.
>
> unprotcted search concerns dealt with a pregnancy example and targetted
> marketing.
>
> etc
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 16:57:03 -0700
> From: Virgil Griffith <i@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [tor-talk] Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf]
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> I hereby submit the following PDF as a Tor Tech Report.
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3308162/tor%20growth.pdf
>
> I'll be providing the various raw data files to github/torproject shortly.
>
> Qualitative conclusions are the same.  The methodology is more
> rigorous than it was before, some quantitative differences.  Most
> notably:
> * Lots of stuff in Tor increases exponentially.
> * Absolute Torperf is increasingly nicely.
> * Normalized Torperf (Torperf relative to non-tor speeds) increases
> glacially.
> * There's statistical evidence that an injection of advertised
> bandwidth would reliably improve Torperf performance.
>
> For non-policy makers, I think the main contribution I am offering is
> a list of the various Tor growth rates (page 4, table 2)
>
> -V
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 20:22:13 -0400
> From: stn <stn@xxxxxx>
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf]
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> thanks so much virgil.
> both report and posting dataset.
>
> steve
>
> On Oct 4, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Virgil Griffith wrote:
>
> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3308162/tor%20growth.pdf
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 21:53:39 -0600
> From: Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf]
> Message-ID: <5430C0C3.4000805@xxxxxxxxxx>
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> On 10/04/2014 05:57 PM, Virgil Griffith wrote:
> > I hereby submit the following PDF as a Tor Tech Report.
> >
> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3308162/tor%20growth.pdf
> >
> > I'll be providing the various raw data files to github/torproject
> shortly.
> >
> > Qualitative conclusions are the same.  The methodology is more
> > rigorous than it was before, some quantitative differences.  Most
> > notably:
> > * Lots of stuff in Tor increases exponentially.
> > * Absolute Torperf is increasingly nicely.
> > * Normalized Torperf (Torperf relative to non-tor speeds) increases
> glacially.
> > * There's statistical evidence that an injection of advertised
> > bandwidth would reliably improve Torperf performance.
> >
> > For non-policy makers, I think the main contribution I am offering is
> > a list of the various Tor growth rates (page 4, table 2)
>
> I've noticed something relevant to current discussion about Tor use.
>
> | Figure 8: Network Utilization Ratio (NUR) falls into three distinct
> | stages. Within each stage the fitted line is essentially flat. What
> | happened on 2013-10-08 and 2014-06-06!? The only thing we see is
> | that on 2014-06-05 (one day prior) the EFF began their Tor Challenge.
>
> Silk Road was taken down by the FBI on 2014-10-02.[0] The site still
> loaded, however, showing a "This Hidden Site Has Been Seized" message.
> And so it probably took a few days for most users to get the news.
>
> Also, contemplating Figure 8, there may be a discontinuity at about July
> 2013, when they took down Freedom Hosting.[1]
>
> I'm not aware of anything major in May-June of this year.
>
> [0]
> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-October/030268.html
> [1] http://www.wired.com/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:22:18 -0700
> From: Virgil Griffith <i@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf]
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> I will look at the "read bandwidth" data to see whether these sites going
> down was the primary cause.  But first impression it looks like that on
> those dates "read bandwidth" went down as well as "advertised bandwidth"
> went up.
>
> -V
>
> On Saturday, October 4, 2014, Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > On 10/04/2014 05:57 PM, Virgil Griffith wrote:
> > > I hereby submit the following PDF as a Tor Tech Report.
> > >
> > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3308162/tor%20growth.pdf
> > >
> > > I'll be providing the various raw data files to github/torproject
> > shortly.
> > >
> > > Qualitative conclusions are the same.  The methodology is more
> > > rigorous than it was before, some quantitative differences.  Most
> > > notably:
> > > * Lots of stuff in Tor increases exponentially.
> > > * Absolute Torperf is increasingly nicely.
> > > * Normalized Torperf (Torperf relative to non-tor speeds) increases
> > glacially.
> > > * There's statistical evidence that an injection of advertised
> > > bandwidth would reliably improve Torperf performance.
> > >
> > > For non-policy makers, I think the main contribution I am offering is
> > > a list of the various Tor growth rates (page 4, table 2)
> >
> > I've noticed something relevant to current discussion about Tor use.
> >
> > | Figure 8: Network Utilization Ratio (NUR) falls into three distinct
> > | stages. Within each stage the fitted line is essentially flat. What
> > | happened on 2013-10-08 and 2014-06-06!? The only thing we see is
> > | that on 2014-06-05 (one day prior) the EFF began their Tor Challenge.
> >
> > Silk Road was taken down by the FBI on 2014-10-02.[0] The site still
> > loaded, however, showing a "This Hidden Site Has Been Seized" message.
> > And so it probably took a few days for most users to get the news.
> >
> > Also, contemplating Figure 8, there may be a discontinuity at about July
> > 2013, when they took down Freedom Hosting.[1]
> >
> > I'm not aware of anything major in May-June of this year.
> >
> > [0]
> > https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-October/030268.html
> > [1] http://www.wired.com/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:03:23 +0200
> From: Hartmut Haase <hha4491@xxxxxx>
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser default window size
> Message-ID: <5431095B.8040005@xxxxxx>
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> Hi,
> > I have learned so far that the Tor Browser does not store the used
> > window size like other programs do, becaus it always start with the same
> > size.
> at the moment Tor (3.6.6) starts with the last used window size but
> after 1 second it switches to the default size. Why?
> --
> Viele Gr??e,
> Hartmut
>
> Hungerhilfe: http://www.thehungersite.com
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> Ohne Zensur suchen:
> http://suche.amnesty-bergedorf.de
> Googeln ohne Google:
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>
> Das heutige Motto:
> Ein Narr tut, was er nicht lassen kann;
> ein Weiser l??t, was er nicht tun kann.
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:07:54 +0200
> From: Hartmut Haase <hha4491@xxxxxx>
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tor-talk] Tor Browser speed
> Message-ID: <54310A6A.3010000@xxxxxx>
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>
> Hi,
> I have upgraded my intenet connection from 25 Mbit/s to 100 Mbit/s, but
> the Tor Browser das not work faster. Why not?
> --
> Viele Gr??e,
> Hartmut
>
> Hungerhilfe: http://www.thehungersite.com
>
> Ohne Zensur suchen:
> http://suche.amnesty-bergedorf.de
> Googeln ohne Google:
> https://www.startpage.com/deu
>
> Das heutige Motto:
> Bis Du gelernt hast zu leben, ist es bereits zu sp?t.
>
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