Re: [tor-talk] BBC Horizon: Inside the Dark Web

[Aymeric Vitte <vitteaymeric@xxxxxxxxx>]

Virgil,

I don't think the Tor network is planning to scale to that extent and is 
designed for this, but I might be wrong.

Le 04/09/2014 12:16, Johan Pouwelse a Ãcrit :
> Hi Virgil,
>
> > >I believe in a day in which you don't have to think about the impact on
> > >others when streaming gigabytes over Tor.
> We have implemented that and deployed it yesterday.
> For some reason my post on that topic was ignored.
>
> Is mixing the Tor protocol with Bittorrent elements frowned upon?
Johan,

Peersm ([1],[2]) can stream and download torrents anonymously since some 
time already with the complicity of ([3]), similar to Tribler somewhere 
but different, phase 1 (with servers) is implementing all what is 
required, including "hidden seeder", we are currently finalizing the 
integration of a module [4] from Telecom ParisTech allowing to adapt on 
the fly the files to adaptive streaming inside browsers, and then we 
will move to the target phase (no more servers) using WebRTC

We can read in the TF article:

"We hope all developers will unite inside a single project to defeat the 
forces that have destroyed the Internet essence."

Of course for the goal but all projects do not address necessarily the 
same threat, probably they can cooperate

"We really donât need a hundred more single-person projects on âsecureâ 
chat applications that still fully expose who you talk to,â Pouwelse says"

Not sure what you mean here, projects such as Peersm don't have 10 years 
of research, dozens of searchers/phd people and 4 ME fundings from EC, 
probably the concepts are still perfectible (like Tribler's ones) for 
the threat it addresses but it does not mean they were not discussed 
with other research people and inspired from research papers.

For example I took some inspiration from one of yours [5], unfortunately 
I still have an issue with the pieces validation, probably it's not the 
place to discuss this, but the paper remains vague regarding the 
"asymmetric crypto" used, and in my case I am not going to add 64 bytes 
of overhead given the size of the pieces and have a signature operation 
each time, the idea is something more light that can insure that the 
piece "might" be OK difficult enough to fake.

Regarding Tribler it would be great to have a single spec updated, it's 
difficult to reconciliate what is up to date and what is not (and what 
it is doing exactly as well as what is doing the current trial, as far 
as I understand the hidden seeder is not implemented).

Regards

Aymeric

[1] http://www.peersm.com
[2] 
https://github.com/Ayms/node-Tor#anonymous-serverless-p2p-inside-browsers---peersm-specs
[3] https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
[4] https://github.com/gpac/mp4box.js
[5] http://pds.twi.tudelft.nl/reports/2009/PDS-2009-002.pdf

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