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Re: Tor limitation

Some interesting resources at 
http://anoniblog.blogharbor.com/blog

http://t-salon.net/ has had some posts on the topic as well.

Adam

On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 07:06:14PM -0400, Matt Thorne wrote:
| I Would be willing to bet that the most effective P2P over there
| (behind the wall) are Darknets.
| 
| as briefly mentioned here:
| http://www.cio.com/archive/110105/tl_filesharing.html?action=print
| and
| http://www.darknet.com/darknets/
| 
| I was just thinking about how I would go about finding information on
| best anonymity practices in china, but realized that information would
| probably be hard to come by. The ones that failed probably arent able
| to be talked about (stupid censorship), and the ones that are working
| probably aren't advertised anywhere.
| Brings to mind bashing my head up against a wall... so let the head
| bashing commence...
| 
| -=Matt=-
| On 11/15/05, ADB <firefox-gen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
| > Has the EFF sent anyone to China to check this out and hopefully get some
| > more details? It would be especially interesting to find out what the
| > situation is for other P2P and anonymity networks w/in china. If they are
| > alive, how? If they got canned, what were their mistakes that lead to it?
| > ~Andrew
| >
| > Matt Thorne wrote:
| > most of the censoring, in china at least, is done automatically with
| no
| > human intervention. In my statement I ment that having an exit node
| behind
| > the firewall would give us the same restrictions that they are
| having to
| > deal with right now. for most people that really wouldn't
| impact their lives
| > that much, except that there would be some pages
| that you counldn't view,
| > and some messages that you couldn't send.
|  BUT.
| there is always a but,
| We,
| > for the most part, are from countires that don't have restrictions
| on
| > speach, so we would set off all of the flags that the censoring
| software was
| > looking for, and the ISP would be ordered to cut the
| connection pretty
| > quickly. Personally I don't think that an exit or
| entry server would last
| > more than 5 minutes on china's web.
| 
| On 11/14/05, Bob <monfster@xxxxxxxxx>
| > wrote:
| 
| > Well, the faq says "If you want to avoid most if not all abuse
| > potential,
| set it to "reject *:*". This is called being a "middleman" node."
| > - but can
| that also be an Entry node?
| 
| However, I think someone running any
| > type of tor SERVER node behind the
| Great Firewall would have a lot more to
| > worry about than just pissing off
| their isp...
| 
| -----Original
| > Message-----
| From: owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > [mailto:owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
| Behalf Of ADB
| Sent:
| > Monday, November 14, 2005 2:09 PM
| To: or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| Subject: Re: Tor
| > limitation
| 
| OK. I was going to say, "Tor should be able to get through it!".
| > The point
| is, if you have a bunch of tor nodes, especially geographically
| > disparate
| ones, the load should be spread out, no?
| Are they default-allow or
| > default-deny over there?
| 
| Bob wrote:
| 
|  I think there was a tag missing - I
| > think it was:
| 
|  <Sarcasm>yes I really want to use an exit node that is
| > located
| behind the
|  great
|  firewall...</Sarcasm>
| 
|  -----Original
| > Message-----
|  From:
| > owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| [mailto:owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
| > On
|  Behalf Of Arrakistor
|  Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 1:34 PM
|  To: Matt
| > Thorne
|  Subject: Re[2]: Tor limitation
| 
|  Hello Matt,
| 
|  Somehow, I don't
| > think China will kindly look upon those running
| Tor
|  servers inside their
| > country. Infact, I am concerned about
| the
|  integrity of Tor servers which
| > have data passing through
| Chinese
|  servers, as it seems hard to believe
| > their government would allow
| them
|  to exist without their approval.
| 
|  Has
| > anyone else had such concerns, or any answers to such concerns?
| 
|  Regards,
| 
| > ST
| 
| 
|  Monday, November 14, 2005, 3:18:21 PM, you wrote:
| 
| 
| 
|  yes I really
| > want to use an exit node that is located behind
| the great
|  firewall...
| 
| 
| 
| 
| 
| > On 11/14/05, ADB <firefox-gen@xxxxxxxxxx>
| <mailto:firefox-gen@xxxxxxxxxx>
| > wrote:
| 
| 
|  Here's an easy solution for our buddies under commie
| control: SET
| > UP MORE
|  TOR EXIT NODE & DIR SERVERS! It's not tha hard! ;)
|  ~Andrew
| 
| > Darren Griffith wrote:
|  Many of the Chinese who are using tor
| > are
| complaining that it is too
| 
| 
|  slow to
| 
| 
|  be usable by them. I imagine
| > that those who feel
| they need to
| 
| 
|  use this
| 
| 
|  program don't mind it being
| > at about dial-up speeds.
| 
| 
| 
| 
| 
|  I'm in Beijing and I'm happy that Tor is
| > there when
| I need it. In
| 
| 
|  fact,
| 
| 
|  en.wikipedia.org is now blocked by my
| > ISP, so Tor is
| almost
| 
| 
|  essential. But
| 
| 
|  yes, it's pretty slow, though I'm
| > patient. Only
| lately,
| 
| 
|  I'm consistently
| 
| 
|  getting DNS lookup failures,
| > and that's what's
| mostly
| 
| 
|  eroding my experience
| 
| 
|  of using Tor all the
| > time. (I know I should
| 
| 
|  change the config of my client
| 
| 
|  to give more
| > logging info so I can
| 
| 
|  track down this bad exit node, but I
| 
| 
|  haven't
| > made the effort yet.)
| 
| 
| 
| 
| 
|  --
|  Darren Paul
| 
| 
|  Griffith
| 
| 
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| 
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