Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

[stn <stn@xxxxxx>]

i think roger dingledine presented some short timeline evidence awhile back in a video i saw but this is from memory.

a US university and the DoJ usa tallied tor traffic on their relay and only found something like 3% "unwanted" traffic.

that could have included things like copyrighted music sharing.
the study wasn't continued for some reason.

maybe someone who can correctly recall the event or study can fill in some blanks and verify but ...

only 3% "unwanted" traffic. that's easy to take IMO.





On Oct 2, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Mirimir wrote:

> On 10/02/2014 04:35 PM, z9wahqvh wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 10/02/2014 01:24 PM, z9wahqvh wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Even if (for argument's sake) 99% of Tor users/uses were unqualifiedly
>>> evil, that would say nothing about Tor. At most, it would speak to its
>>> relatively slow uptake overall, and perhaps to the prevalence of evil in
>>> the world. An anonymity system with a backdoor for outing evil (however
>>> defined) would be unworkable, and would soon die.
>>> 
>>> 
>> I don't know how to parse "say" in this paragraph. It certainly seems to
>> "say" something about the role of unsurveillable absolute anonymous
>> communications systems and who is going to be attracted to them and why.
> 
> If everyone used "unsurveillable absolute anonymous communications
> systems", the prevalence of evil on them would be the same as the
> overall prevalence of evil. Right? Those who play on the supposed
> association of Tor with evil are not friends of freedom.
> 
>> It also would seem to raise serious questions about whether such efforts
>> should be supported
> 
> If you choose to support Tor, then do. If you don't, then don't. Others
> can make their own choices, based on their principles and values.
> 
>> --and, to raise questions raised in other threads here, whether ISPs and
>> other service providers and websites should let Tor relays through.
> 
> There are more-effective solutions that don't hurt the innocent.
> 
>> Note that if you are correct, you are painting an extremely dark picture
>> of our political future, in which constitutional governance and rule of
>> law become, strictly speaking, impossible. You may think that this will
>> decrease the amount of evil in the world. My reading of world history
>> suggests otherwise.
> 
> It should be obvious that I'm no statist. But discussions of politics
> are off-topic on this list. So I'll not address the rest of your post.
> 
> <SNIP>
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