Re: [f-cpu] Re: Project short description

[nicO <nicolas.boulay@ifrance.com>]

Juergen Goeritz a écrit :
> 
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 whygee@club-internet.fr wrote:
> 
> > hallo alle,
> >
> > >De: Juergen Goeritz <goeritz@oekomm.de>
> > >On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Michael Riepe wrote:
> > >> On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:22:36AM +0200, Juergen Goeritz wrote:
> > >> [...]
> > >> > > If you make a SoC that includes an F-CPU core, the source code for the
> > >> > > entire chip must be released under the terms of the GPL because it's a
> > >> > > derived work.  If you can live with that restriction...
> > >> > No, I can't. I was wondering if it could be changed to the
> > >> > more open LGPL license style like with LEON. Is this possible?
> > >> We had that discussion (again!) some weeks ago...
> > >> For the moment, my answer is "no".
> > >That's a pity because I also don't want to open my design
> > >without any return involved. How to solve this situation?
> >
> > there is no "solution". Would you ask Micro$oft to change their
> > distribution licence ? :-P
> 
> Why not? To ask doesn't cost a thing (but my own nerves).
> And for me they could be willing to make an exception :-)
> 
> > There is a probability that the F-CPU licence will change
> > if we get advices from legal experts : GPL has a few drawbacks
> > but it's the only working licence that we know. Later, a F-CPU
> > licence will cover the dark corners of RTL source code (all the
> > problems with the meanings of "compilation" and "linking" that
> > is different in our case), but i don't believe that our basic
> > idea and understanding of "freedom" will change.
> 
> But you also want to keep control. Ain't that a contradiction?
> 
> > >> > On the other hand, if it's not possible to change to LGPL,
> > >> > I would not want to invest my own money but only go for it
> > >> > when there is enough funding money and goods. Up to now my
> > >> > opinion was that you can't really live from open projects.
> > >> > But you are invited to proove the opposite...
> > >> We have to prove nothing, since we never claimed to be able to make
> > >> money with the F-CPU.  On the other hand, switching to LGPL won't make
> > >> us rich and famous, either.  I agree that commercial F-CPU users might
> > >> benefit from LGPL, but my primary goal never was to enable companies to
> > >> make lots of money, without having to return *anything*.
> > >Hmh! Why not found an AG and you become shareholders until
> > >the proof of concept is done and the first chip released?
> > >This way we could start with only about 100K DM.
> >
> > how much chocolate could i buy with 100K DM ?
> 
> Depends on the chocolate - I vote for cool Toblerone ;-)
> 
> How much do you earn a year? Whether this is enough only
> depends on your usual way to spend the money...
> 
> I just proposed to setup an environment where industry could
> relate to and go for contracts and license. Because either one
> wants to stay in control of something, then one has to take the
> responsibility, or one doesn't and is free of it. Even LEON is
> maintained by a company - Gaisler Research.


You can't say that ! ESA have paid Jery Gaisler to wrote the LEON. Then
he founded a compagny to sell it's knowledge to design chip with leon.

nicO
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