Re: gEDA-user: buzzing board

[Steven Michalske <smichalske@xxxxxxxxx>]

Ceramic caps on a switching power supply can have a pizeo eletric  
effect.  Try poscaps or a tant.

Hook up a microphone and take a fft of the sound  a sound card can do  
it if you don't have a scope or spectrim analyzer.

Did you cheap out on the inductor?  Try potting them with something,   
I'd go for something non viscous, elastic and sticky.


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On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:43 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Sep 13, 2007, at 12:34 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
>> Ok, help me out with this one.
>>
>> The PCB for my alarm clock buzzes.
>>
>> It's really hard to tell which part is doing it, just from listening.
>>
>> The sound may be a combination of a high pitch whine and a 100hz buzz
>> (the oled is 100hz).
>>
>> The buzzing is related to what's displayed on the OLED; the +12v to
>> the oled has "noise" on it (0.5vpp) that corresponds to current draw.
>> If I erase the screen, or run without the oled, or unplug the power
>> jumper for it, the buzzing stops.  However, adding more bypass on it
>> (which gets rid of the noise) doesn't stop the buzzing, nor does
>> shorting out the enabling transistor, nor bypassing the LDO.   
>> Removing
>> the bypass cap doesn't make it worse.  The OLED power supply is on  
>> the
>> opposite end of the board (a few inches away) from the 3.3v switcher.
>
>   Is it convenient to try putting an choke in series with the OLED's
> power supply line, with the OLED's bypass capacitor on the OLED side
> of the choke?
>
>> I *think* the sound may be coming from the switching power supply (it
>> has three power inductors in it), but neither the +15v power input  
>> nor
>> the 3.3v rail have any noise on them (outside of the 150KHz from the
>> switcher itself).  Bypassing two of the inductors (the filter ones)
>> does nothing.  Pressing on any component does nothing.
>>
>> So, three questions:
>>
>> 1. How do you find out where such a noise is coming from, when
>>   everything is so close together?  Neither a stethoscope nor a straw
>>   were helpful.
>
>   I've only used those two methods, aside from probing around with
> an oscilloscope to look for the noise.  One other trick that I've not
> tried (if anyone can comment on this I'd appreciate it) is to use an
> inductive pickup probe to look at the *current* waveforms on the
> supply lines to different parts of the circuit, and see what
> corresponds to the noise you're hearing.
>
>> 2. What kind of components *can* make that kind of noise?
>
>   Inductors and PCB traces, mainly...but I suppose nearly anything
> probably could, to one degree or another.
>
>> 3. If you know what's causing it, how do I fix it?
>
>   Hot glue, molten wax, conformal coating..
>
>           -Dave
>
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> Dave McGuire
> Port Charlotte, FL
> Farewell Ophelia, 9/22/1991 - 7/25/2007
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