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Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

Pretty sure this guy is just trolling and baiting at this point

Apr 3, 2019, 10:47 AM by grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx:

>> why adversaries should finance tor project and publicly it if they have
>> a malicious intent?
> Why do adversaries do that to their opponents?
> Because it's a simple and effective diversion operation.
> Nor is it dependant upon whether any "malicious intent".
> Adversaries often fund their opponents to keep them busy and happy
> even if opponent only a few steps tangent behind the race to actually
> being able to kill the adversary. It can work actively...
> "Here's a pile and stream of money to develop some useless
> or thing we want in an RFP / contract / grant / employee",
> or passively... "Hey, those guys seem to be going down useless
> paths, ok here's a bunch of money to keep them happily digging
> in those holes, LOL." Usually delivered by false fronts.
> See also "regulatory capture" type of concept. Also how nice
> salaries and simple weight of self reinforcing mass inertia and
> groupthink over time can keep any one or group settled into the
> same thing, less dynamism, up to even not abandoning and starting
> out elsewhere due to simple risk aversion... "job food friends lifestyle."
> Is an entity, product, or network subject to whatever
> to some degree or other? Maybe, maybe not, others decide.
> Yet without talking about and analysing harder questions
> once in a while, especially as generations come and go,
> people might have less sense therein.
> If a site looks sexy it must be good, right?
> That's what at least marketers think, and it's perhaps good enough
> for browsing mundane TV news sites. Yet there's no frontpage
> splash disclaimer for others with more sensitive, vulnerable,
> or different use cases.
> Nor mention of Tor people hypocritically trying to censor ban
> nodes out of the consensus for, ironically, nothing more than
> excercising their right to free speech. Instead of say punting that
> out to meta analysis projects that users can choose to subscribe
> to as suits their own likes, support, and thinking therein.
> To be fair, no different than any other business (say ibm.com)
> or opensource project... finding much suitability disclaimer
> on anyone's pages, surely not without a good number of clicks,
> it's of less interest or natural to cover some potentially
> questionable areas, adversarial weaknesses, etc... it doesn't sell.
> Anyhow...
> The last actual use case warning or disclaimer on torproject.org
> was removed by or on October 10 2010. Some historical bisects..
> Site v1
> first, domain 1998-01-29
> http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031609/http://www.onion-router.net <http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031609/http://www.onion-router.net/>
> same content actually to "circa" 2006
> http://web.archive.org/web/20061023145713/http://www.onion-router.net <http://web.archive.org/web/20061023145713/http://www.onion-router.net/>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20130120133213/http://www.onion-router.net <http://web.archive.org/web/20130120133213/http://www.onion-router.net/>
> except for the gov diff
> http://web.archive.org/web/20130420093515/http://www.onion-router.net <http://web.archive.org/web/20130420093515/http://www.onion-router.net/>
> curr
> http://web.archive.org/web/20190228035625/http://www.onion-router.net <http://web.archive.org/web/20190228035625/http://www.onion-router.net/>
> Site v2
> first, domain 2006-10-17
> http://web.archive.org/web/20071011223019/http://www.torproject.org <http://web.archive.org/web/20071011223019/http://www.torproject.org/>
> last
> http://web.archive.org/web/20101003133226/http://www.torproject.org <http://web.archive.org/web/20101003133226/http://www.torproject.org/>
> Site v3
> first
> http://web.archive.org/web/20101010191937/http://www.torproject.org <http://web.archive.org/web/20101010191937/http://www.torproject.org/>
> last
> http://web.archive.org/web/20190326100059/https://www.torproject.org <http://web.archive.org/web/20190326100059/https://www.torproject.org/>
> Site v4
> first
> http://web.archive.org/web/20190327033924/https://www.torproject.org <http://web.archive.org/web/20190327033924/https://www.torproject.org/>
> Misc...
> http://web.archive.org/web/20041108031017/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter <http://web.archive.org/web/20041108031017/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20070104070427/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter <http://web.archive.org/web/20070104070427/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20100416102850/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter <http://web.archive.org/web/20100416102850/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20110728115309/https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki <http://web.archive.org/web/20110728115309/https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki>
>> what you said
> It's really all junk lately, just delete it.
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