Re: [tor-talk] New Tool Keeps Censors in the Dark

after reading all ur conversation...

for me i didnt understand a very important thing :
how come a software or tools as Telex and is not anonymity??????
because the most of blocked sites by the governments are restricted also and censored...

so i dont think a software like Telex can work against these governments cause no body is ready to loose his freedom....

couldn't resist - sorry
"cause no body is ready to loose his freedom..."
we're already losing our freedoms
tor is about running and hiding

thx

> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:34:34 +0800
> From: jmmrchrdsn@xxxxxxxxx
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] New Tool Keeps Censors in the Dark - mentions Tor.
>
>
>
> On 8/9/2011 5:44 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote:
> > On 8/8/2011 8:16 AM, Jimmy Richardson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/8/2011 5:03 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 10:41:50AM +0800, Jimmy Richardson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Google AppEngine provides a platform which can be used to run your own
> >>>> proxy servers for free, Gtalk supports XMPP which can also be used to
> >>>> circumvent censorship.
> >>> Google actively cooperates with US authorities regardless of user's
> >>> geography, so using Google's infrastructure for anonymity is an
> >>> oxymoron.
> >>
> >> I agree, but again, we were talking about anti-censorship, not
> >> anonymity. Frankly people in China or Iran has much more to fear from
> >> their own government than from US authorities.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> > Jimmy, though you have some valid points, I think you missed my point
> > entirely (possibly some other posters').
> >
>
> Actually I do see your point, as I have said, we have different
> assumptions regarding how censor would react to anti-censorship
> activities, let's just agree to disagree here. But even under your
> assumption, I don't see the reason to bash Google here. True, Google
> could sell you out to governments, but so could any company (for example
> your ISP). The difference between Google and your average company is: a.
> Google actually made a stand against censorship, and suffered the
> retaliation; b. Google is providing computation resources for free. If
> you want privacy/anonymity, you just need to code encryption routines
> for the proxy you run on Google's AppEngine, it's no different from the
> suggestion to run Tor over Telex. And for the free service they provided
> against censorship, we should be thanking Google (and Telex if it gets
> built). As far as I can see, Tor is already losing against the censors,
> I think Tor should welcome some help in fighting against them.
>
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