Re: [tor-talk] Neal Krawetz's abcission proposal, and Tor's reputation

[Ben Tasker <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Alec Muffett <alec.muffett@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> On 30 August 2017 at 15:07, Ben Tasker <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > That's not quite the claim he's making though. He seems to be claiming
> any
> > "legitimate" (in his eyes) service shouldn't mind sacrificing their own
> > anonymity by being linked to a clearnet identity and becoming a
> "verified"
> > onion to avoid the rolling rotation.
>
>
>
> In other words: you have to pay-to-play in order to have security; pay for
> a DNS domain, be subject to takedown and
> spoofing-between-the-onion-verifier-and-the-attribution-site, and
> deanonymisation / doxxing / throttling / regulation / imprisonment via
> blocking payments to your hosting or DNS provider.
>
> To slave onionspace to the clearnet, in other words.
>
>
Succinctly put.

Yes, that'd be my reading of it.

The alternative is that you are free to speak/write, but no-one can ever
find you because your onion address will change every week, so any coverage
you might get of an issue will last, at most, a week.

Meanwhile, the drug-markets and other "vile" things he want to block will
carry on unabated because a subset of their users will put the effort in to
update a central resource weekly to note what the new address is. If that
user is an administrator, they could even sign the updates with a
predisclosed key to minimise the likelihood of you being lead to a fake by
a bad actor. So everyone else gets shot in the foot, while what he wants to
block only blinks briefly.





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