Re: [tor-talk] [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

[Nathaniel Suchy <me@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Matthew: Built in functionality, maybe, an addon, no. Also either solution
is a bandaid to the actual problem that we're allowing an exit with no
contact information to censor Tor users with impunity!

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 8:01 PM Matthew Glennon <matthew@glennon.online>
wrote:

> Could this be mitigated with a detection addon in Tor Browser? Detect that
> the site may be blocked at the exit and offer to fetch a new circuit for
> the site?
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 19:22 Nathaniel Suchy <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> The exit is behind a filtered ISP. Opposed to a website blocking exits.
>> That’s the difference.
>>
>> 1) The content provider causes the block.
>> 2) The exit causes the block.
>>
>> In situation two a censored user may give up on Tor entirely. Should we
>> allow exits in China or Iraq or Syria or Turkey or the several other
>> countries. What if their governments who can afford it spin up 10,000 exits
>> in an effort to censor the Tor Network. Will we sit idly by and allow it?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 7:17 PM Pascal Terjan <pterjan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> A country's ISPs blocking some websites is not the exit blocking it and
>>> the result is the same than websites blocking the country, users of that
>>> exit can't access the websites just because the exit is in that country but
>>> doesn't do any filtering itself.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 16:14 Nathaniel Suchy, <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That’s a website blocking Tor users. Not a Tor Exit blocking a website.
>>>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 7:06 PM Pascal Terjan <pterjan@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 14:11 Nathaniel Suchy, <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So this exit node is censored by Turkey. That means any site blocked
>>>>>> in Turkey is blocked on the exit. What about an exit node in China or Syria
>>>>>> or Iraq? They censor, should exits there be allowed? I don't think they
>>>>>> should. Make them relay only, (and yes that means no Guard or HSDir flags
>>>>>> too) situation A could happen. The odds might not be in your favor. Don't
>>>>>> risk that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you put the limit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Various categories of websites are blocked in various countries either
>>>>> by ISPs or by content providers.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example should exits not be allowed to run in Germany due to
>>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_YouTube_videos_in_Germany
>>>>> ? Or not allow exits in EU due to the number of US websites deciding to
>>>>> block all of EU IPs to not have to comply to GDPR?
>>>>>
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