Re: [tor-talk] [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

[Nathaniel Suchy <me@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

So you are totally cool allowing Tor Exits to censor with impunity?
Allowing this one Turkey exit risks losing new Tor users thinking the
product doesn’t work after all.
On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 8:30 PM Pascal Terjan <pterjan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> How is situation 1 different from 2 from the user perspective? In both
> cases the user doesn't have access because of the country where the exit is
> running.
>
> A lot of countries have various levels of blocky (for example torrent
> websites in UK). Is the solution to only run all exits in a few "good"
> countries with no filtering but maybe some strong surveillance/analysis?
>
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 16:22 Nathaniel Suchy, <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> The exit is behind a filtered ISP. Opposed to a website blocking exits.
>> That’s the difference.
>>
>> 1) The content provider causes the block.
>> 2) The exit causes the block.
>>
>> In situation two a censored user may give up on Tor entirely. Should we
>> allow exits in China or Iraq or Syria or Turkey or the several other
>> countries. What if their governments who can afford it spin up 10,000 exits
>> in an effort to censor the Tor Network. Will we sit idly by and allow it?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 7:17 PM Pascal Terjan <pterjan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> A country's ISPs blocking some websites is not the exit blocking it and
>>> the result is the same than websites blocking the country, users of that
>>> exit can't access the websites just because the exit is in that country but
>>> doesn't do any filtering itself.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 16:14 Nathaniel Suchy, <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That’s a website blocking Tor users. Not a Tor Exit blocking a website.
>>>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 7:06 PM Pascal Terjan <pterjan@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 14:11 Nathaniel Suchy, <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So this exit node is censored by Turkey. That means any site blocked
>>>>>> in Turkey is blocked on the exit. What about an exit node in China or Syria
>>>>>> or Iraq? They censor, should exits there be allowed? I don't think they
>>>>>> should. Make them relay only, (and yes that means no Guard or HSDir flags
>>>>>> too) situation A could happen. The odds might not be in your favor. Don't
>>>>>> risk that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you put the limit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Various categories of websites are blocked in various countries either
>>>>> by ISPs or by content providers.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example should exits not be allowed to run in Germany due to
>>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_YouTube_videos_in_Germany
>>>>> ? Or not allow exits in EU due to the number of US websites deciding to
>>>>> block all of EU IPs to not have to comply to GDPR?
>>>>>
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