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Re: [tor-talk] Tor and solidarity against online harassment
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:51:04 -0700
Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 12/12/2014 06:33 PM, Juan wrote:
> > On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:18:29 -0700
> > Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/12/2014 01:43 PM, Juan wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 14:20:12 -0500
> >>> Roger Dingledine <arma@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 03:23:42PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> >>>>>> You might like
> >>>>>> https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#Backdoor
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We won't put backdoors in Tor. Ever.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LOL!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You work for the pentagon and are subjects of the US
> >>>>> state.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The US government has secret 'courts' and secretly
> >>>>> forces its subjects to tamper with all kinds of 'security'
> >>>>> systems, in the name of 'national security'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Whatever public declamations you make carry very little
> >>>>> weight.
> >>
> >> <SNIP>
> >>
> >> Well, who do you work for, then?
> >
> >
> > Whatever work I do is none of your business since it has
> > nothing to do with politics.
>
> So you say ;)
Yes. You don't trust me? You are not implying you believe in
your own 'conspiracy theories' eh? =)
But here's the thing. It's trivial for Roger and friends to
look me up in any of their .mil databases. So they know or
can easily know.
You as a 'fan' of some project of the US state may not have that
kind of info but rest assured other people do.
>
> > But you asked your loaded question anyway. Since I call out
> > the 'democratic' 'liberal' americunt tor project I must work for
> > somebody else? The chinese? The muslamic terrists? Moscow?
> > Take your pick.
>
> OK, I was just curious to see what you'd say.
Fine. And? What conclusion do you draw from my answer?
>
> > No, the fact that I laugh at the US government, its
> > lackeys, and its sick propaganda doesn't mean I work for any other
> > political organization. I am politicallly independent. Something you
> > might not be.
>
> Nope. I'm total freelance.
Good.
>
> >> Your arguments have little weight without evidence that Tor has
> >> been tampered with on behalf of the US government.
> >
> > Whatever you say bro. Notice how you're unable to counter
> > any single thing I said. That's why you
> >
> > <SNIP>ed my whole message.
>
> I snipped your interchange with Roger because I have nothing new to
> add. Roger says: "No backdoors. Ever." And you argue that statements
> by American subjects who work for its government can't be trusted.
> But as you and Roger seem to agree, it's all just words. What's to
> counter?
To clarify, just in case. My analysis isn't "just
words". It's a sound analysis.
The tor project is hardly to be trusted and people saying
"trust us, we're the good guys" are pretty much mocking the
audience. *Their* assertions are "just words".
>
> My point, which you sidestep, is that it's past time for you to
> produce some evidence for backdoors in Tor.
Did I ever state "there are backdoors"? No I didn't. You
are asking for evidence to back up something I never said.
On the other hand, what would a backdoor in tor or similar
software look like? I'm guessing there are no 'backdoors' in
tor, only 'bugs'. I think it's called "plausible deniability"
or something like that...
>You and your associates
WHat associates are those?
> are free to inspect the source code, to probe the network as you like
> with your relays and clients, and to do whatever else you can
> imagine. Go for it.
Why on earth should I do other people's work? Help the
propaganda efforts of the US government? Please =)
>
> > Even Roger knows better than that...
>
> I'm not interested in debating.
Oh. And what are you doing, exactly, when you reply to my
messages?
> It would be repetitious and boring.
Yeah...
J.
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