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(FWD) Re: chaining JAP and Tor

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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:02:48 +0200
From: Sascha Wuestemann <sascha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: chaining JAP and Tor

On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 10:52:21AM -0500 or thereabouts, Exile In Paradise wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 15:25 +0000, Ben Clifford wrote:
> > Here I outline a methodology for doing this and I would be very interested 
> > to hear back as to what people think of its validity. It requires you to 
> > have both JAP and Tor installed on your system. The JAP client is set up as 
> > to use the mix cascade system (ie. it is set as an HTTP proxy in your 
> > browser and NOT a Socks proxy).
> AFAIK, JAP is totally compromised by at least the German gov't.
> There are many long-running discussions in the Freenet/Frost forums
> about JAP being compromised. Most Freenet users refuse to use it.

maybe the freenet users are just paranoid?

The current german "Linux Magazin 08/05" topics are all about privacy
covering cryto filesystems, tunneling protocols throug firewall and
application proxies and anonymous surfing by using JAP, too.

This magazin has this to say: "Jap is highly trust worthy. Several
attempts of the Office against Crime to seize user data from them
failed because the JAP operators went to court against it and won.
(German) law obligates nobody to collect user data he does not need.
Because JAP is cost free, there need no user data be collected for the
account." and points to


The german "Linux Magazin" has a good reputation, and I have tried JAP
myself and therfor I know that the german "Computer Chaos Club"


(see or babelfish


for their self-manifest.)

is offering an own cascade. This leads _me_ to the opinion that JAP is
trust worthy, too.


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