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Re: [tor-talk] How evil is TLS cert collection?

Thus spake tagnaq (tagnaq@xxxxxxxxx):

> Well, after all I guess we can acknowledge that there are scenarios
> where information disclosures will happen.

Ok, I probably should recap these scenarios here. I realized I forgot
to reply to you.

To make sure we understand one another (and everyone else understands
us): the remaining information disclosure scenarios we're talking
about are limited to two:

1. User has a private network whose DNS is set to resolve private
names to public IP addresses which normally would not have been
reachable in the IPv4 scan, and whose TLS certs are also signed by a
public trusted root CA. This is a weird setup, but it's a big world.
I guess it could exist somewhere.

2. User has private network on RFC 1918 space, yet uses an HTTP proxy
to access it (which means we can't tell that it is private IP space).
Said user is also using TLS certs signed by a public trusted root CA.
This config is less weird, and detectable by us. It makes me think we
should handle this user specially somehow?

Your point is that in these two cases, with the default protection
mechanisms defined in
these two users could still end up sending their public-yet-private
certs to EFF.

Should we somehow warn the HTTP proxy user about the possibility of
private TLS certs being submitted if they try to opt-in to the

> To give users the possibility to contribute while preventing leaks for
> specific domains they are concerned it would be great if the submission
> addon would have a blacklist feature where one could say
> never submit anything for  *.example.com.

This seems to be a reasonable option to me. I've added this to our
spec page above.

But is there a better option? Do you think it might be likely that
either of these users will disable OCSP for these certs, or otherwise
indicate anything about these public-yet-private certs that we can
detect in their config?

And is there anything else?

Mike Perry
Mad Computer Scientist
fscked.org evil labs

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