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Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and Anonymity
This is wrong in so many ways.
Edward Snowden's info, hand-in-hand with Prism's details, shows how
NSA/GCHQ hates Tor because they can't break it very well. They have to
exploit browser flaws and/or go around Tor to get what they want. If
they owned Tor from the network perspective there would be no need for
that, and certainly no "Tor Stinks" presentation would have been made.
Instead of "Tor Stinks" we would have in our hands (again, courtesy of
Edward Snowden) the details of the breakage of Tor by the spooks.
I have a hard time believing that you've been effectively tracking so
much 'child porn, rape, snuff videos' content that you can
conclusively say that all such content has suddenly disappeared from
Tor. My knowledge about the way that kind of content works is, that no
one person would be able to access much of it unless they were a
creator/trader of the stuff. Such a person would be trying to be
low-key about it out of fear for themselves, not posting in this list
and seeming to admit to having been tracking that content. So - - not
a match, for whatever reason.
The development of some of the posts in this thread seems to encourage
list members to demonstrate/quantify what amounts of 'illegal' traffic
may be flowing through the Tor network. I could see some interesting
purposes for that information, none of them beneficial to Tor or its
And, the conclusion below about "Tor and its developers" is imo
retarded. That conclusion ignores good information while relying upon
so much which seems bogus.
On 06/30/2014 03:19 PM, Mark McCarron wrote:
> Well, let's put this another way. On a planet, approaching almost
7 billion people, a network exists (Tor) that once had a substantial
illegal content available (i.e. child porn, rape and snuff videos,
etc.). Then governments, such as the UK government, announce GCHQ was
to assist in cleaning up the dark web.
> Within a matter of months, not a single site can be found anywhere
on the planet on the Tor network.
> Then we also have Snowden, who informs of us PRISM. An espionage
program designed to provide a global view that was developed in
parallel to Tor and it just so happens that this is Tor's Achilles
> Whether or not you accept the first part of the analysis is
irrelevant, what really matters is the latter part and that Tor
appears to be designed to integrate into the US espionage apparatus,
rather than protect people from it. Even when this is pointed out, no
one makes any moves to correct the situation.
> That pretty much tells everyone what they needed to know about Tor
and its developers.
> Mark McCarron
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