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Re: [tor-talk] Towards a Torbutton for Thunderbird (torbutton-birdy)

05/07/2012 09:54 PM, tagnaq:
>> [1] https://tails.boum.org/todo/Return_of_Icedove__63__/
> "Trying to hide we use Icedove seem unrealistic and/or impractical a
> goal, at least to start with. Therefore, we'll ignore tagnaq's
> suggestions whose single aim is that one."
> Why do you think that I aimed for hiding the use of Thunderbird?
> Hiding the fact that someone is using Thunderbird when he/she actually
> is, was not my intention:
> on page 3:
> "Non-goals: hide the fact that we are using Thunderbird"
> on page 21:
> "As specified in section 2.3 the header information reduction
> does not aim to hide the fact that Thunderbird is the used
> MUA."

Yeah, that sentence seems a bit confused, but it makes more sense if you
include the part which you omitted:

> Therefore, we'll ignore tagnaq's suggestions whose single aim is that
> one. E.g. we won't encourage people to use PGP-inline.

We really want to promote PGP/MIME instead of PGP-inline since the
latter is an absolute mess.

I suppose what is really meant is that we ignore most suggestions about
mail header fields etc. simply because we don't have the means to
*easily* modify them as you suggest. Luckily it seems you'll provide us
with an *easy* solution for that. :)

>> The idea is to at least try to get this merged upstream (if not in
>> Mozilla, perhaps at least in Debian) in some form, otherwise we're
>> gonna ship an Icedove built from sources with these changes applied
>> in Tails.
> Great! Thanks for explicitly mentioning this (I was about to ask you
> if you are going to submit it for upstream inclusion ;)
> I hope you are watching
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664633
> It might be a good idea to submit/suggest it there?

I am, and that's where I plan to post the patches.

> I hope you enable mailnews.auto_config_ssl_only by default and hide
> the disable button very well ;)

Currently mailnews.auto_config_ssl_only is false by default, and it has
a checkbox with label "Only use secure protocols" right under the
"Remember password" checkbox in the wizard. So it's not very hidden, but
if people are gonna notice it, it has to be like that. I suppose it
could be a good idea to turn it on by default (most mail providers has
SSL/TLS available), but then I think it also has to be unhidden for
people that cannot use SSL/TLS because of an insane mail provider, or
users of I2P-Mail (where SSL/TLS is unnecessary AFAICT). Well, I'm
certainly open to suggestions on this one.


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