Re: [tor-talk] Operation Onymous against hidden services, most DarkNet markets are down

[Juan <juan.g71@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 15:51:15 -0500
"Jim Smith" <jimsmitty@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Usually you won't go through the trouble of using Tor unless your
> privacy is being attacked. Once you start using Tor it's easier to
> justify surveillance because of Tor's reputation. Now after all that
> you have to figure out how to be anonymous while doing business. We
> haven't mentioned how to avoid phone tapping, hidden microphones, and
> people following you in the streets. Tor is a very small piece to the
> privacy/anonymity puzzle.


	So why would people be tracked in the first place? Are
	you saying that the US government nazis track all of US
	subjects all the time, and that's how they find people who run
	'hidden' services? 

	




> 
> Complete anonymity and privacy is possible, even in the face of
> advanced surveillance operations. If we make protecting good people
> our priority, instead of fighting evil to the point that it hurts the
> good, this would be much easier to achieve. I think the Tor community
> need to recognize themselves and help each other more, regardless of
> how criminals will take advantage. This is a real challenge for all
> of us, but there's an extreme injustice occurring that's a serious
> threat to all of us. 
> 
> 
> Jim Smith
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> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Blaise Gagnon <quebecfibe@xxxxxxxxx>
> Apparently from: tor-talk-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Operation Onymous against hidden
> services,most DarkNet markets are down Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:13:21
> -0500
> 
> > This is some really bad news for the Tor network if the govs can
> > locate that many people this easily ...
> > 
> > 2014-11-06 12:48 GMT-05:00 mroq qorm <mroqorm@xxxxxxxxx>:
> > 
> > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Öyvind Saether
> > > <oyvinds@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > Because that completely explains why every other DarkNet market
> > > > went down at the exact same time. Yes. And the FBI would never
> > > > lie and find a hidden service one way and later claim they
> > > > found it a another way, now would they?
> > >
> > > operations that involve multiple stings carried out
> > > simultaneously are nothing new
> > >
> > > sure, parallel construction is a problem, also in the SR 1.0
> > > case, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and call tor into
> > > question again
> > >
> > > just seems as if the druggy hipsters are worse at opsec than the
> > > kiddy porn people
> > >
> > > just imagine the positive press for LE if they SAVED THE CHILDREN
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