Re: Broadband Reports: Tor Network Bogged Down by P2P

[Ben Wilhelm <zorba@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

No, because as a midpoint node, you have no way of knowing where the 
data is coming from or going to - besides "the computer that just 
connected to you" and "the computer that you're about to connect to".

-Ben

Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, jed c wrote:
>
> Well, tor allows you to block exit traffic.  Is there also a way to 
> block *transit* traffic?
>
> -Dan
>
>
> > Guess I spoke to soon (without thinking).
> >
> > --- Ben Wilhelm <zorba@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > So, um, how exactly do you track how much bandwidth
> > > each user is using
> > > on a network whose sole goal is anonymization?
> >
> >
> > I was thinking about something on the user side. I
> > don't know how many users would edit the source code
> > to get around something like this.
> >
> > > And then let's associate that information with a
> > > server that's supposed
> > > to have an admin email contact available.
> >
> >
> > I understand that tor is about privacy and anonimity.
> >
> > > -Ben
> > >
> > > jed c wrote:
> > >
> > > > The solution seems simple to me. Anyone using huge
> > > > amounts of bandwidth should be required to run a
> > >
> > > tor
> > >
> > > > router.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Chris Palmer wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Forwarded message from John Gilmore
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <gnu@xxxxxxxx> -----
> > > >
> > > > > > From: John Gilmore <gnu@xxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:40:18 -0700
> > > > > > Subject: [E-IP] Broadband Reports: Tor Network
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bogged Down by P2P
> > > >
> > > > > > http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/68438
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some time ago our security regulars broke down
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > logistics behind
> > > >
> > > > > > Tor, an anonymity tool from the Electronic
> > >
> > > Frontier
> > >
> > > > Foundation. It was
> > > >
> > > > > > designed for whistle-blowers, political
> > >
> > > dissidents,
> > >
> > > > researchers, and
> > > >
> > > > > > others concerned about exchanging information
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > without authoritarian
> > > >
> > > > > > backlash. Sadly network performance is being
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > jeopardized by
> > > >
> > > > > > file-traders looking to evade the RIAA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > File traders have been reconfiguring their Bit
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Torrent clients to take
> > > >
> > > > > > advantage of the network. Unfortunately the Tor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > network wasn't
> > > >
> > > > > > designed with high volume porn transfer in mind,
> > >
> > > so
> > >
> > > > the activity is
> > > >
> > > > > > slowing it down to a crawl. The likely result
> > >
> > > will
> > >
> > > > be the EFF running
> > > >
> > > > > > against the grain of their mandate, and
> > >
> > > restricting
> > >
> > > > network use.
> > > >
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     John
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- End forwarded message -----
> > > > >
> > > > > Bah, I see no problem with using it to evade the
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > RIAA.  sure, it sucks
> > > >
> > > > > for us Tor people who use it for what is was
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > intended for.  It just
> > > >
> > > > > means we need more nodes, and we need to grow more
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > to support this
> > > >
> > > > > demand.  I'm all for giving the finger to "the
> > >
> > > man."
> > >
> > > > > It's time for Tor to expand, not regulate.  And if
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > expansions isn't
> > > >
> > > > > possible, just let it suck!  I can't imagine many
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > fileshare people will
> > > >
> > > > > cleave unto dial-up speeds with their broadband...
> > >
> > >
> > > > Once they learn that
> > > >
> > > > > it sucks to use Tor, they'll stop.  We need
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > knee-jerk decisions in this
> > > >
> > > > > project like we need knee-jerk political
> > >
> > > actions...
> > >
> > > > > But, that's just my $0.02
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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