On 10/04/2013 02:21 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:11:26AM +0000, mirimir wrote:
On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote:
I'm wondering if I got this right:
The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security'
issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies
on everyone paying no attention to 'legal' restraints.
If the NSA happens to find the location of, say, a 'criminal' tor
hidden service, the NSA will forward the information to the pertinent
'agency', say, the DEA, and the DEA will lie about how they got the
information, presenting a 'plausible' alternate explanation. Is that
how they basically operate?
[snip]
Of course, the FBI could be totally lying in the complaint.
Can you point to a specific statement in the affidavit that would be a
lie if the "NSA conspires to tip off FBI" theory were true?
OK, I just read the Maryland complaint. It's obvious what happened.
An FBI undercover agent contacted him, wanting to sell large quantities
of cocaine. He found a buyer, and delegated the details to his employee.
Said employee had full admin access to his servers.
His employee then provided his ACTUAL PHYSICAL ADDRESS to the undercover
FBI agent. The FBI mailed 1 Kg (very highly cut) cocaine to said
employee, and arrested him on receipt. Said employee soon told the FBI
all that he knew.
So now the FBI had access to the servers. There's no reason to suspect
that they needed to compromise Tor to gain access, or for anything else.