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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?
From: Steve Seltzer <steve.seltzer@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:41:46 +0200
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On 9/4/2013 7:33 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote:
> On 09/04/2013 07:14 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>> http://cybermashup.com/2013/09/04/dont-run-a-tor-router-and-a-hidden-service-from-the-same-connection/
>>
>> 
Thoughts from the community?
> 
> https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-hidden-service.html.en
> 
> Last sentence: "It is generally a better idea to host hidden
> services on a Tor client rather than a Tor relay, since relay
> uptime and other properties are publicly visible."
> 
> I agree that this could be stated more clearly and visibly.

Blog post author here...

As I said in the post, I did find the advice against running a hidden
service and a router at the same time. However, I didn't notice it
until after I started this project and started looking for it.  I did
notice the advice to run a router if you would like to contribute.

I thought that people who are running a hidden service are also likely
to want to contribute to the Tor network, and thus they would be
likely to run a router without understanding the security implications
of doing so.

I decided to collect and analyze the data in order to find out if it
is a real problem.  By publishing the blog post, I hope that I can
bring some attention to the problem and maybe prevent someone who is
trying to be a nice guy and contribute to the Tor network from being
punished for it.

- -Steve

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