Re: Foundation (was Re: The Kernel (fwd))

[Rick Jones <rickya@siservices.net>]

George Bonser wrote:
> 
> These are bo system disks that I am building.  Hamm disks are not working
> or are dependant on old libs that conflict with the current state of the
> distribution.  I am really interesting in seeing them because they use the
> new interface.

This is just unreal.  I must be in the twighlight zone.

We "had", past-tense, people on the lists that wanted to discuss these
issues and possibly take on the process of getting it done, but you shot
their suggestions down at every turn because "you" didn't want to do it
that way, saying there are larger issues...blah, blah, blah..., I asked
you 3 times to tell us what you are doing and you blew me off.

Now I find out that you are just putting together some install disks
that Debian is going to put out anyway, if all you want to do is get an
install, instead of hashing out a valid structure and time table, and
getting people working on things.  

You worked for 3 days on getting a combination of libs together to
create a set of disks that somebody else is already working on, pushing
people away from the list that wanted to get involved?  This was your
"larger issue"?  Working on something that we won't even be using, since
we will be using the Debian's initially?  Which, you said yourself.

This was the "larger issue" you had to devote all your time to instead
of hashing out the boot process and what should be in the kernel, so we
could apply it when the real disks are ready?

You could have spent all this time getting a list for the "Linux core"
together.  Writing config dialogs, documenting the different structures
needed to make SEUL work the way we want it to, you could have been
talking to kernel developers about the various patches and what to
expect in the kernel during the development of SEUL so we might have
gotten somebody working on a program to take advantage of new changes,
or whatever.  There are a lot of things you could have been getting
*DONE* for SEUL.  But this was your idea of a priority?

Doesn't that fall under the install leaders area anyway?  Why are you
working on it?

Am I the only one that thinks that was 1) Time wasted. and 2) a loss of
potential developers that wanted to get involved?

You want to talk about getting the lumber for the house in place before
you can build.  First you have to have a blueprint so you know how much
material, and what type, you need to begin with.  Even then you wouldn't
pile every bit of the materials on site if you had a lumber yard right
next door where you could just walk over and get what you need.

Am I the only one that see's that this kind fo stuff get's us noplace?

You know, I don't even want to be associated with this any more.

I built a Linux system from scratch 3 years ago with zero experience
just fumbling through various readme's and how-to's.  It took me a
couple of weeks to get a workable system going and another month to get
X windows up and running, on my own.  And this project has been here for
6 months without a single tar file done.

Hmmmmm?!?  I wonder why that is?

You all have fun.

Bye the way, that system I worked on for six years was on an OS called
OS/32.  Ever heard of it?  Didn't think so.

You're the man George, show them how it's done.