Re: [seul-edu] Announcing the Tux Typing 0.9 Release

[Karl <jackal@raptor.slc.edu>]

Phillip, aka "Fyoozen", has done an excellent job of advocating GNU/Linux
while presenting fairly both sides of the picture (GNU/Linux/Unix -and-
M$)... ...well, okay, he wasn't really presenting on Microsoft's
"benefits", but rather he played devils advocate for the pro-M$ issues at
a very important little debate at the Washington Business School (formerly
Gibbs school) where Phillip teaches a Unix class normally.

Harry's point is very good, as is his experience: practically
single-handedly getting a GNU/Linux installation into Artizona public
schools that would otherwise never had even seen the flicker of a 60-75hz
monitor.

It is very good to hear the reminders from the conscience on the right
shoulder, in expanding advocacy papers that should be usable, or moldable,
for years to follow.


-karl

e: karl@seul.org, jackal@raptor.slc.edu


On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Harry  McGregor wrote:

> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:40:40 -0700 (MST)
> From: Harry  McGregor <micros@azstarnet.com>
> Reply-To: seul-edu@seul.org
> To: seul-edu@seul.org
> Subject: Re: [seul-edu] Announcing the Tux Typing 0.9 Release
> 
> On thing to keep in mind, while it's easy to attack M$, the way to win
> these debates is to bring up the benifits of _BOTH_ sides, fairly, and
> evenly.  I have several MS people I can run this by to make sure all
> statesments are 100% true, etc.
> 
> Linux/OSS will win in the end since it's a better mouse trap, not be cause
> it's "Not M$".  Also keep in mind while on one level, SUN, IBM, etc are on
> our side, they also have their own plans for ASP based tech in education,
> that might or might not be interoperable...
> 
> 			Harry
> 
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Fyoozen wrote:
> 
> > The new licensing scheme backed by UCITA (in MD and VA) and the DMCA and the
> > actions that M$ is taking on software piracy will indeed figure quite
> > prominently into the picture. Cost of support and ownership are huge issues.
> > With commercial options ranging from Terminal Services to individual
> > licenses, the average Joe will have to look towards alternative methods of
> > production. We are only talking OS at this point. Wait until they want
> > apps!!
> >
> > Willy Gates is the king of cha-ching! It's going to come from somewhere! I
> > am interested in seeing how XP will play with LILO. Wonder if they will use
> > the NT or 2000 boot model?
> >
> > Anyway, back to the original topic, I intend to try Tux typing this weekend.
> > I'll have my wife test it. She actually types and has used similar
> > commercial type products. I use four fingers and two thumbs trying to ease
> > into it for the last 15-20 years.  ;-))
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jeff Nelson <jtnelson@emirates.net.ae>
> > To: <seul-edu@seul.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: [seul-edu] Announcing the Tux Typing 0.9 Release
> >
> >
> > > I, for one, will be very interested in seeing your document.  I need to
> > > convince the head of a nonprofit I work with that Linux is applicable to
> > an
> > > educational project in Colombia.  He believes that MS solutions are best,
> > but
> > > I think the sustainability issue is an important one, especially now that
> > the
> > > new MS licensing schemes are going to remove the Colombians' ability to
> > > pirate at will.
> > >
> > > It's small, but I have a presentation on the same topic at
> > > http://linux.innoved.org/linux-tesl/
> > >
> > > > Since my paper is basically a "Why Linux in Education?" paper, as well
> > as a
> > > > "Here's how you do it!", I was pointed here by Karl and Roger. I have
> > been
> > > > soaking up ideas and topics to add to the final outline. Which should be
> > > > totally completed by next week. I have also had some assistance and
> > support
> > > > from Miguel De Icaza, and notes from when Eric Raymond spoke at NoVaLUG.
> > > >
> > > > Mrs. Tim Bogardt is doing the translation of Miguel's original paper for
> > > > me. I think we will have a good arsenal from which to select. I intend
> > to
> > > > use this group as a sounding board and proof readers. The paper will
> > > > emphasize cost of ownership (long and short term), pluses in terms of
> > > > educational value, and implementing a self supporting source for
> > > > educational software. I also hope to incorporate a "responsible
> > computing
> > > > in the community" section in the curriculum section.
> > >
> > > I can volunteer to do proofing.  (Heck, I'm an English teacher!)
> > >
> > > Jeff Nelson
> >
> 
> --
> Harry McGregor, CEO, Co-Founder
> Hmcgregor@osef.org, (520) 661-7875 (CELL)
> Open Source Education Foundation, http://www.osef.org
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