SEUL: Yet again.....

[Micah Yoder <yoderm@geocities.com>]

Another couple messages that apparently didn't make it the first time I
tried to send them.  I think my ISP's DNS is screwed up - it often has
trouble locating mail.geocities.com also...
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Subject: 
            Re: SEUL: Mail got bounced: Here are a few msgs that didn't
get
            through...
      Date: 
            Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:12:36 -0800
      From: 
            Micah Yoder <yoderm@geocities.com>
        To: 
            Paul Anderson <hacker@geeky1.ebtech.net>
        CC: 
            jfm2@club-internet.fr, seul-project@belegost.mit.edu
References: 
            1


Paul Anderson wrote:

> BTW, why don't you get started on writing an office suite for Linux?  I
> would, but I've got WAAY to much on my plate right now...  Do you know C?

Did anyone see my message in seul-dev-apps?  No one replied.

I laid out my original ideas for an office suite.  It is kind of
elaborate - I don't want a dinky little set of programs.  I want
something that's well designed and EXTREMELY extendable.  We should
spend 4 months talking about the basic object structure before one line
of code is written.  :-)

Starting to think about registering freeoffice.org,
Micah
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Subject: 
            SEUL: Re: Non-free and free.
      Date: 
            Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:08:05 -0800
      From: 
            Micah Yoder <yoderm@geocities.com>
        To: 
            Rick Jones <rickya@siservices.net>
        CC: 
            SEUL UI <seul-dev-ui@seul.org>,
            SEUL Distribution <seul-dev-distrib@seul.org>,
            SEUL Project <seul-project@seul.org>
References: 
            1


Rick Jones wrote:

>         As far as portions of non-free software that *can* be distributed for
> running apps without any hitches, as if they *are free*, such as the QT
> libs, they can and should be included in the base distro.  *CAVEAT*:

Good.  That is EXACTLY how I wanted to see it!  :-)

> After we are assured that the libs themselves are basically in a free
> status when distributed for compatability with existing software rather
> than as mandatory for some other software that is in base.

Definitely.  No essential software should depend on anything non-GPL.

Now, what about Netscape?  Since it is now free, it would make sense to
distribute it.  But do we make it an integral part of the distro?  How
integrated is it?  Should we still push for Mnemonic and Gzilla? 
Probably so.

> Does it sound acceptable to include such pre-compiled libs in base?  Can
> we set down some guildlines and make it so?

We pretty much did.  Non-GPL libs and programs are only included if:

1.  They can be included freely, no strings attached
2.  All software using them is totally free, no strings attached
3.  Such libs do not control any of the "core" or other essential
functionality of SEUL.

Sound good?????
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   Subject: 
            Re: SEUL: Mail got bounced: Here are a few msgs that didn't
get
            through...
      Date: 
            Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:30:03 -0800
      From: 
            Micah Yoder <yoderm@geocities.com>
        To: 
            seul-project@belegost.mit.edu
References: 
            1


Paul Anderson wrote:

> > Personally, I *hate* Motif.  But there are a few free apps that use it.
> > Netscape, for one.  (though I immagine it will be ported to GTK and/or
> > Qt eventually)
> >
> Netscape is a motif app?  Even 5.0?  Can motif DO that?  The communcator
> series closely mimicks communicator on Win95 in IF.  TTYL!

It's a statically linked Motif app, yeah.  That's why it's so big and
bloated.  (Well, part of the reason...)

The source code for 5.0 will be released, but I see no reason to believe
that it will not be Motif.  We'll just have the freedom to port it.

BTW, RedHat itself even announced that Netscape is now part of their
base distribution.


-- 
"win95 n. 32 bit extensions for a 16 bit
patch to an 8 bit operating system originally
coded for a 4 bit microprocessor by a 2 bit
company that can't handle 1 bit of competition."