On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:08:34 -0500 Jon Gardner <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> allegedly wrote: > On Aug 22, 2013, at 11:56 AM, mick <mbm@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Tor is neutral. You and I may agree that certain usage is unwelcome, > > even abhorrent, but we cannot dictate how others may use an > > anonymising service we agree to provide. If you have a problem with > > that, you probably should not be running a tor node. > > Then why have exit policies? Exit nodes regularly block "unwelcome" > traffic like bittorrent, and there's only a slight functional > difference between that and using a filter in front of the node to > block things like porn (which, come to think of it, also tends to be > a bandwidth hog like bittorrent--so it doesn't have to be just a > moral question). If someone has a problem with exit nodes blocking > things like porn (or bittorrent, or...), then they probably should > not be using Tor. > > The very idea of Tor is based on moral convictions (e.g., that > personal privacy is a good thing, that human rights violations and > abuse of power are bad things, etc.). Nope. Not in my view. Tor's USP is anonymity of access to any and all network resources. I say again, tor is neutral. It cares not about what those resources are - it just shovels bits. And as a relay operator I cannot say that bits of type A are OK to retrieve but not bits of type B. I do not even know what type of bits are transferred. As someone else here said "censorship implies surveillance". > The Tor devs go to great lengths to try to keep "evil" governments > from using Tor against itself. Why not devote some effort toward > keeping "evil" traffic off of Tor? Define "evil" (or its converse "good"). I'd bet that given any random selection of people in a room you'd get a broad spectrum of views. The only way you can safely meet /all/ those views is not to take a position at all and remain neutral. I repeat tor is neutral. > > It's worth discussion. > I agree. Best Mick --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mick Morgan gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 http://baldric.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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