Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

[Lee <ler762@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 4/3/19, blacklight447@xxxxxxxxxxxx <blacklight447@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Pretty sure this guy is just trolling and baiting at this point

It looks more like frustration to me
>> The last actual use case warning or disclaimer on torproject.org
>> was removed by or on October 10 2010.

Starting at  https://www.torproject.org/
  Browse Privately.
  - with no caveats.
  BLOCK TRACKERS
  - except they aren't actually blocked, just isolated.  right?
  DEFEND AGAINST SURVEILLANCE
  - I suspect tor is a better defense than using a vpn but still...
with no warnings or caveats it seems a bit much.
  RESIST FINGERPRINTING
  - yay!  "Tor Browser aims to ..."  a reasonable claim.

But wait!  There's more!!

Click on the 'Download Tor Browser' link & go to
https://www.torproject.org/download/
Click on the 'Download Tor Browser' link on that page and get sent to
"../download/" but that's where I was, so wtf?  Maybe I need
javascript enabled??

There's also a link for "Verify Tor Browser signature" but no link to
the signature file.

At least the "Download in another language" link gets me to a page
where I can download tbb and the sig.  It doesn't show which version
will be downloaded, but it does have working links, so it's infinitely
better than the download page.

Lee


> Apr 3, 2019, 10:47 AM by grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx:
>
>>> why adversaries should finance tor project and publicly it if they have
>>> a malicious intent?
>>>
>>
>> Why do adversaries do that to their opponents?
>> Because it's a simple and effective diversion operation.
>> Nor is it dependant upon whether any "malicious intent".
>> Adversaries often fund their opponents to keep them busy and happy
>> even if opponent only a few steps tangent behind the race to actually
>> being able to kill the adversary. It can work actively...
>> "Here's a pile and stream of money to develop some useless
>> or thing we want in an RFP / contract / grant / employee",
>> or passively... "Hey, those guys seem to be going down useless
>> paths, ok here's a bunch of money to keep them happily digging
>> in those holes, LOL." Usually delivered by false fronts.
>> See also "regulatory capture" type of concept. Also how nice
>> salaries and simple weight of self reinforcing mass inertia and
>> groupthink over time can keep any one or group settled into the
>> same thing, less dynamism, up to even not abandoning and starting
>> out elsewhere due to simple risk aversion... "job food friends lifestyle."
>>
>>
>> Is an entity, product, or network subject to whatever
>> to some degree or other? Maybe, maybe not, others decide.
>> Yet without talking about and analysing harder questions
>> once in a while, especially as generations come and go,
>> people might have less sense therein.
>>
>> If a site looks sexy it must be good, right?
>> That's what at least marketers think, and it's perhaps good enough
>> for browsing mundane TV news sites. Yet there's no frontpage
>> splash disclaimer for others with more sensitive, vulnerable,
>> or different use cases.
>>
>> Nor mention of Tor people hypocritically trying to censor ban
>> nodes out of the consensus for, ironically, nothing more than
>> excercising their right to free speech. Instead of say punting that
>> out to meta analysis projects that users can choose to subscribe
>> to as suits their own likes, support, and thinking therein.
>>
>> To be fair, no different than any other business (say ibm.com)
>> or opensource project... finding much suitability disclaimer
>> on anyone's pages, surely not without a good number of clicks,
>> it's of less interest or natural to cover some potentially
>> questionable areas, adversarial weaknesses, etc... it doesn't sell.
>>
>>
>> Anyhow...
>>
>> The last actual use case warning or disclaimer on torproject.org
>> was removed by or on October 10 2010. Some historical bisects..
>>
>> Site v1
>> first, domain 1998-01-29
>> http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031609/http://www.onion-router.net
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031609/http://www.onion-router.net/>
>>
>> same content actually to "circa" 2006
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20061023145713/http://www.onion-router.net
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20061023145713/http://www.onion-router.net/>
>>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20130120133213/http://www.onion-router.net
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20130120133213/http://www.onion-router.net/>
>> except for the gov diff
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20130420093515/http://www.onion-router.net
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20130420093515/http://www.onion-router.net/>
>>
>> curr
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20190228035625/http://www.onion-router.net
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20190228035625/http://www.onion-router.net/>
>>
>> Site v2
>> first, domain 2006-10-17
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20071011223019/http://www.torproject.org
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20071011223019/http://www.torproject.org/>
>> last
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20101003133226/http://www.torproject.org
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20101003133226/http://www.torproject.org/>
>>
>> Site v3
>> first
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20101010191937/http://www.torproject.org
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20101010191937/http://www.torproject.org/>
>> last
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20190326100059/https://www.torproject.org
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20190326100059/https://www.torproject.org/>
>>
>> Site v4
>> first
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20190327033924/https://www.torproject.org
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20190327033924/https://www.torproject.org/>
>>
>>
>> Misc...
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20041108031017/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20041108031017/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20070104070427/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20070104070427/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20100416102850/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20100416102850/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20110728115309/https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20110728115309/https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki>
>>
>>
>>> what you said
>>>
>>
>> It's really all junk lately, just delete it.
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