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Re: [tor-talk] New Tool Keeps Censors in the Dark - mentions Tor.
On 8/8/2011 12:48 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote:
On 8/6/2011 10:56 AM, Jimmy Richardson wrote:
This won't work well seeing Google is already kicked out of China.
Exactly.
You lost me at "If google were to..." Google & privacy is the
definition of an oxymoron. They're way down the list of
organizations many users would want having any role in some anonymity
endeavor.
This is not about privacy, it's about anti-censorship, and Google is
a good resource in terms of anti-censorship.
How so - other than not wanting their corporation to be censored? Do
they have a record of refusing to give data to gov'ts?
Google AppEngine provides a platform which can be used to run your own
proxy servers for free, Gtalk supports XMPP which can also be used to
circumvent censorship.
Privacy, anonymity & anti-censorship seem interrelated. Anonymity
implies privacy.
I don't think there is a direct relationship, the two concerns
(privacy/anonymity and anti-censorship) can be separated. They only come
together in some use cases, for example if you want to speak up against
the censoring government; but in a lot of other use cases they are
unrelated, for example if the user just want to view a video totally
unrelated to politics on youtube.
Google is in business to make money, not promote anti-censorship or
free speech. Censoring them cuts into their earnings, so yes, they
are against censorship - * involving their corporation. *
True, but I don't see anything wrong with this, we can leverage their
desire for profit for other purposes.
IMO, if I lived in a country where my life or possible imprisonment
depended on internet anonymity / security, I wouldn't trust Google to
keep me safe. I'm quite sure other entities eventually could provide
some service / method to access banned sites, w/o $ being the main
objective.
I think we may have different assumptions here. You're assuming the user
may face imprisonment if they break the censorship and access blocked
content, my assumption is the censoring government will not bother to
catch people who circumvent censorship as long as they don't actively go
against the government.
Forget Telex or Tor for the moment. Eventually, individuals or groups
have always found an "underground" way around censorship (if they
wanted to) during wars, etc., sans the internet. The answer to avoid
censorship may not involve the internet at all.
Yes, but internet has some huge advantage over other methods, that is
why censoring governments are afraid of it.
Ultimately, passing or accessing censored or what gov'ts consider
subversive info * through any ISP,* that keeps records & is legally
bound to cooperate w/ govt's doesn't seem like the best idea. I
wouldn't go to the NSA's office to have a secret phone conversation.
Just my opinion.
No, it's certainly not the best idea, but life doesn't always give you
the best tool for the job, sometimes you just have to use whatever is handy.
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