Re: [tor-talk] New Tor project idea for internet comments

[Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 03/04/2015 06:33 PM, Juan wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 15:33:28 -0500
> "Lee Malek" <leemalek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> 99% of censorship happens on blog comments. This kind of project
>> would help to force an open dialog.
> 
> 
> 	Yes it is a good idea.  As a matter of fact I vaguely remember
> 	a browser addon that would let people do exactly that : you
> 	could add comments to websites and the comments were not stored
> 	on the site but on...a different server run by the people who
> 	created the addon? I never really investigated it. 
> 
> 	To make it 'censorship resistent' the comments would have to be
> 	stored in a freenet-like database. Actually, all you need is a 
> 	browser plugin that can store content in freenet. You don't
> 	need tor. 

It's been done, using alt.privacy, to "fight censorship" on Wilders
Security Forums. Here's a little taste:

| On Thu,  7 Oct 2010 22:20:36 +0200 (CEST), Anne Onime wrote:
|
| > Simply The Best wrote:
| >> I got tossed off Wilders Security Forum. I will pay to have someone
| >> hack the hell out of that place. I need to know who Low Water Mark
| >> is and who PooseyII is (I'm sure it is Ira Silverstein).
| >>
| >> Go to the forum and contact LockBox with your offer. he will email
| >> me securely.
| >
| > Sorry to hear about your luck.
| >
| > I've run afoul of their jack-booted Admins over there before, for
| > little or no reason.
| >
| > Tell you what though,I think you're spot on. There are more sock
| > puppets over there than a medieval puppet show.
| >
| > And PooseyII sure the hell looks like one of them.
| > Ari Silverstein? Hehe. No doubt.
|
| Not Ari, his son, Ira Silverstein, I have him pegges for sure,
| that's when LowWaterMark told me to either suck his jack or he
| would boot me off.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.privacy/mxuKB11LGPs/PBYxzv-wypcJ

And it'll probably be online as long as Google is.

>> If we aren't going on the offensive against censorship we will lose
>> eventually. The power is in the hands of those who control the
>> message. And those who control the media control the message. This
>> would allow us to break through the shit and get a counter-message
>> out right on their own websites.
>>
>> There is a way to accomplish this.
>>
>> Also, we need to start thinking about message control, not just
>> governments blocking certain sites. The elites fear the internet and
>> anonymity because of the possibility of losing control of the
>> message/ the dialog ,whatever you want to call it.
>>
>> Putting the message in the hands of the people is the best thing that
>> could ever happen for US and the worst thing for them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> From: Juan <juan.g71@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Apparently from: tor-talk-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] New Tor project idea for internet comments
>> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 17:26:32 -0300
>>
>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 14:11:33 -0500
>>> "Lee Malek" <leemalek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This has nothing to do with people censoring tor users and
>>>> everything to do with normal blogs censoring normal users because
>>>> they don't like their comments. I am thinking mainly of the USA
>>>> here. This will be a problem as time progresses.
>>>
>>>
>>> 	Don't bother. The party line here is to 'fight' for
>>> 'freedom' in places where the american imperialist military has
>>> problems gathering 'intelligence'. 
>>>
>>> 	Prime example : A country like china is firewalled  so the 
>>> 	pentagon can't spy on the chinese internet directly. Hence,
>>> 	tor. 
>>>
>>> 	And of course, in a place like the US you're going to find
>>> 	extensive censorship in 'public' and 'private' websites.
>>> Hell that is American Freedom! In a united state people should be
>>> 	free to censor any kind of disent. 
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This allows sharing of information directly on news sites, safely
>>>> and anonymously, completely circumventing their censoring of other
>>>> political views. How is this not the place for something like
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> From: michael ball <michaelballriseup@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Apparently from: tor-talk-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] New Tor project idea for internet comments
>>>> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 11:39:05 -0700
>>>>
>>>>> This isn't technically feasible-- for example, censored users in
>>>>> countries with slow Internet speeds (Iran, Cuba, Syria) would be
>>>>> unable to connect to the network by being forced to relay
>>>>> connections if they install the browser plugin. The Tor network
>>>>> relies on volunteers who have the ability to quickly and safely
>>>>> relay traffic to do so, and users who do not have those
>>>>> abilities are not at a disadvantage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tor developers, community members and volunteers could better
>>>>> spend the time creating this system for something that yields
>>>>> more results, like actually encouraging the websites who censor
>>>>> Tor users to not do so-- they should rather use a CAPTCHA
>>>>> system or another form of human verification (that does not
>>>>> break anonymity).
>>>>>
>>>>>> So many news website block comments they dont like these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> This isn't something new or exclusive to Tor users. Anyone who
>>>>> creates a website with a comment system can censor and prune the
>>>>> comments they don't agree with. I do agree, a separate comment
>>>>> system would be great at fighting the censorship by websites,
>>>>> but it isn't something the Tor developers should focus on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good idea, but not exactly the right place. Thanks for the
>>>>> idea, and welcome to the Tor mailing list!
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