Re: [tor-talk] fwd: FBI Is Pushing Back Against Judge's Order to Reveal Tor Browser Exploit

[Rick Evans <tmovoice@xxxxxxxxx>]

What if the majority of the relays or even a large fraction are not playing
by those rules?  Why not 4 or 5 hops?  Will too much traffic will over
burden the network and slow it down?

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Blake Hadley <moosehadley@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Rick Evans <tmovoice@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Tor was broken in beta long before it mainstream.  What would you day if
> I
> > said there was a list of every tor user and relay and that list was
> started
> > when there were as few as 800 users???  Saw the list way back when.  the
> > government is willing to spend 7.55 billion to get into our shorts at the
> > airport.
> > What makes you think they wouldn't spend a couple million to make a bunch
> > of tor relays that don't  play by the rules and swamp the system with a
> > bunch of Tor Spybot relays?  Who needs vulnerabilities.
> >
>
>
> This is all well known.
> The relay list isn't a secret at all, in fact you can view it here:
> https://globe.torproject.org/
>
> And sure, if you have a list of relays and you have a backdoor into the
> ISPs, of course you can get a list of everyone who's ever connected to
> them.
>
> That's why we take important steps to insurance privacy like using three
> hops, and making identifying browser information look the same for every
> user.
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