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Re: dmca takedown, was: Recommended VPS ISPs?
are you talking especially about dutch law?
at least in the UK whois is often used in court cases. i am aware of at
least one very recent case where a whois was the only basis to deliver a
high court injunction to a registered postal address.
also, nominet (the .uk registrar) is suspending domains of "whois
entries" they consider to be wrong.
All nice and well, but still, any isp can just insert mickey mouse in
there as the contact for the piratebay, it's barely "evidence" and it
never was intended as such. I recently inserted mickey mouse into the
details for some copyright organisation's whois as a matter of fact :P
and no flying fuck they can do about it.
isps control and set up ripe and the ripe whois is nothing more than a
tool for US, not for attorneys.
there are some rules against blatantly inserting 'wrong' info (primarily
with icann) but that's basically where it ends.
whois is NOT an authoritive source for "evidence"... one could just as
well use wikipedia to gather "evidence"
whatever lies they tell the court are completely irrelevant, fact remains,
they need to -prove- stuff as long as you object to their lies...
see, i wonder why we owners of the internet provide all kinds of n00bs
with 'free information' anyway, it would be so much easier not to send ttl
exceeded packets (traceroute ;) and offer whois services to all kinds of
kackn00bs like the MAFIAA which only abuse it against us anyway.
anyway, our routers don't do icmp ttl exceeded, time the rest of the
internet catches up, then at least they'd have to -really- learn how it
works, and maybe follow a proper legal procedure for once instead of just
going bla bla in court with vague "indications" and no "evidence".
guess it's still a long way to go before our politicians have the balls to
protect the interests of european voters and tax payers and tell that
retarded ex-colony to go to hell with their rfid passports, bodyscanners,
swift details and copyright bullshit (in terms of either boycotting them
or declaring war on them) but in the meanwhile it helps if you simply stop
providing them with any information they may deem "useful"
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, startx wrote:
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:24:11 +0000 (UTC)
Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
whois is a tool for providers to figure out whom to contact in case
of network issues, not for attorneys to prove anything, as it's not
an official, government maintained database anyway, but rather
something you can perfectly well insert mickey mouse into if you want
to. it was never intended to legally identify individuals, and yet
this is what they claim in a lot of their emails...
are you talking especially about dutch law?
at least in the UK whois is often used in court cases. i am aware of at
least one very recent case where a whois was the only basis to deliver a
high court injunction to a registered postal address.
also, nominet (the .uk registrar) is suspending domains of "whois
entries" they consider to be wrong.
startx