Re: [Computerbank] [Fwd: [cai-vic] Policy stick is out]

[Romana Challans <romana@timelady.com>]

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:20 pm, Rob J shared:
> Im not not a financial member so please ignore me if you wish, but as an
> interested reader of these emails, why do I detect the feeling that
> everything done by the Victorian group is wrong?

i reckon all in cai shld get an equal say my friend  - but i naturally 
encourage membership;))))
my goodness, if you got that from my emails, im sorry! i'm trying, along with 
others on the committee, like kylie and cromwell, to sort out whats needed on 
a National basis vs State basis - to ensure consistency, and to communicate 
ideas.
we are doing so on this list to allow input from everyone!:) 
we are trying to rigorously go through and address many holes and issues 
raised lately - please, feel free to assist!!!

> Why do the other branches feel so threatened by the Victorians?

lol, thats actually kinda funny. some of my best friends are victorians!
we are a national body, not caivic or caisa etc, those are important entities, 
but part of the national outlook:) vic is the biggest branch, but no more or 
less valid than qld or sa:)))) equal in aims and mechanisms, but different in 
size and progression, and its good to see that reflected in the new committee 
team:)

> And for an organisation that professes to to dedicated to the the openness
> of open source you all seem so insular and bigoted.

again, apologies if it appears that way. i have pointed out that  kylie and i 
were discussing national stuff, and the vic vol manual, while understandably, 
and indeed necessarily so, is vic centric - thus what of it can we use 
nationally and what should be state based?

as for insular, we are all striving for cai, so i am puzzled by your take on 
this?

> All I can say if forget all this carrying on and try to remember why you
> joined CAI in the first place.  Was it:
> (1) to control an organisation?
> (2) to spread the gospel of linux
> (3) or was it maybe to help people?
> why do I get the feeling that for most of you the order is (1), (2),
> (3)????

that i cant answer for you, only you can answer why you feel something!!

however, i'll respond to yr points -
well, i couldnt in all conscience deal with microsoft crud fr recipients, and 
truly believe not that linux is a viable alternative, rather viable solution.
and lol jennifairy, shaun and i were, technically speaking, INVITED to join 
cai as the new sa branch, to continue the work we'd been doing quite 
independently of vic:) 

however, why do i spend an obscene amount of time doing hours and hours of 
unpaid work, writing endless emails to try and sort messes out, encourage 
people, and stop sniping/politics/neepage and other crud so we can move 
forward, AND be coord for sa, AND holder of the arcane build knowledge, AND 
be the trainer currently for sa, etc etc etc....

for the sheer thrill of the griping politics and crap we've all seen so 
far???!!!
sorry, masochism ISNT my strong point. as a matter of fact, im attempting 
destressing atm due to my pregnancy...:)

why then?

same reason we all do - or should be doing it for -
BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN CAI:)
because recipients need puters, and puters need recycling
becaude the world needs people to give a damn....
that kind of thing:)

i can only ask and encourage you in this :  before questioning anyone's 
commitment, please, as i have done, try a leap of faith and believe in 
EVERYONES intentions - and then try getting involved, helping out with these 
thorny national issues:)))

after all, cai is bigger than any individual - if i left tomorrow, or kylie, 
or any one of us, cai would, and RIGHTLY SO, continue and thrive.
and while we may be coming from many directions, we all surely care more for 
cai than for the other stuff?:)

hth,
r:)
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