Re: gEDA-user: PCB GTK version...

[Jakub Piotr CÅapa <jpc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dave McGuire wrote:
> On Jul 24, 2005, at 8:09 PM, Jakub Piotr CÅapa wrote:
>
> > > ...is slow, as I expected.
> > > Its somewhat disappointing to see usability take a second place to 
> > > eye candy.
> > > I suspect it wouldn't be noticeable on a faster machine but I'd 
> > > rather not have needless software "enhancements" dictate when I buy 
> > > new hardware.
> >
> > And I couyld say that I don't like to sacrifice my sight (reading core 
> > X11 fonts is really a big pain for me) because of some really too old 
> > hardware. Also I really didn't like PCB until it was GTK+2 because it 
> > visually sucked.
>
>   So...the software has been needlessly bloated by incompetent 
> developers (the GTK people...not Bill or the PCB guys) and you advocate 
> buying new hardware to compensate for it?  I'm not sure whether to feel 
> nausea or astonishment, but I'm sure one of the two are appropriate.

I wouldn't call UTF-8 support a needless bloat. Pango support for 
different kinds of text (ltr and rtl), fonts and GTK+2 input metods were 
all necessary and I think they are very guilty for the speed problems.

The thing to blame is that nobody really knows why GTK+2 (and Qt because 
it is bloated too, maybe a little less) are so slow. Nobody knows why 
Blender starts up almost instantially and GTK+2 takes almost forever to 
load. The good news is that there are people who want to improve the 
whole mess and profile the whole thing to make it run reasonably. :-)

PS. Sorry for that flame I almost started...

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Regards,
Jakub Piotr CÅapa