Amazing how I started a conversation on Utica. Didn't mean to do that, but anyways. Utica is in the heart of central NY and has a population of about 50k. About 45 minutes east of Syracuse and 2 hours west of Albany via the NYS thruway. As far a wine country goes, we arn't too far from it :) -- Max DiOrio romulus15@aol.com romulus15@mvip.net mcdiorio@buffalo.edu