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Re: Games in Java?

On 16-Apr-2000 Dennis Payne wrote:
>> But, would people play such a game if it's in Java? Would anyone even
>> bother downloading it? Would you do it? It's no point in doing anything if
>> nobody will play it...
> I'm reminded of a comment in _Game Design Secrets of the Sages_.  Your
> first ten games are going to suck so you might as well get them out of the
> way.  (I'd find the exact quote and author but I can't grep through a
> physical book.)
> Personally I think a Java game editor is probably a good idea.  As for an
> actual game in Java, it would depend on the game.  I haven't played around
> enough with it to say what games would have resonable performance.  It
> might also be a good idea to consider how long until your game is playable.
> RedHat is now including IBM's JDK 1.1 and Caldera will be including JDK 1.2
> I believe.

I know mandrake and debian have ibm jdk 1.1.8, and debian has the hooks to use
the blackdown java2 (it's not a stable release, but it's been out for quite a
while and I haven't had problems. I have 1.2.2R3 from the very beginning of

> In general though, I prefer native programs to Java.

I recall seeing java plugs in gcc, and hearing something about compiling java
source files into a native format (not JNI, but java->ELF). Anyone know what's
going on with that? I'd imagine that would create a binary that behaved very
much liked a threaded C++ program with rtti? Plus you can generate bytecode
from the same source, generate a small web-based teaser, a bytecode jar
distribution, and the binary distributions?

> (One of these days I plan on doing a Java game article for Open Game Source
> but unfortunately there is only so much time in the day.)

I think it was gamasutra.com that had some articles on game development in java
a while back, possibly flipcode? The biggest constraint on java I think is sun
microsystems chokehold on the API. I can understand their reluctance to let go
of their total control of the API with the kinda s*** m$ has tried to pull on
them, but moving to a system like OpenGL might be better? Another problem with
java is the newness of it I think... 

> Dennis Payne
> dulsi@identicalsoftware.com
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