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Re: [tor-talk] Nice to meet you! / WhatsApp by Tor?

Em ter, 16 de abr de 2019 às 17:26, Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx> escreveu:

> On 04/16/2019 12:39 PM, GTI .H wrote:
> > Em ter, 16 de abr de 2019 às 13:36, Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx>
> escreveu:
> >
> >> On 04/16/2019 08:48 AM, GTI .H wrote:
> >>> Please, how can I use Tor to hide the origin IP in WhatsApp Android?
> >>
> >> Your safest option, if you must use WhatsApp, is to use it in an Android
> >> VM, running on a small tablet, ...
> >
> >
> > To avoid buying a Tablet, would it be possible to use this method with an
> > Android VM running on the W10?
> I know nothing about Windows mobile devices.

I did not mean Windows mobile devices, I'm talking about PC Windows 10 OS.

> If it will run VirtualBox,

Does it have to be VirtualBox? The W10 PC OS has the HyperV which is where
the VMs run. Is not HyperV useful?
I searched and saw that VirtualBox also runs on the PC W10 OS.

> and the Android VM can reach the Internet, sure.

I think so, which VM would not access the internet?

> That way, you can run a
> VPN client on the W10, and connect the Android VM through it. Or via
> Tor, if that works.

How would it be?
Do I create a VM, install Android on it (if that's possible), and configure
the VM Proxy with the Tor Socket with Tor open?

What is the VM for? Not to leave vestiges in the HD of the PC?

What is the function of each item?
* VM: Do not leave traces in the HD of the PC?
* VPN: Avoid Government / ISP Tracing?
* Tor: hide IP from source?

Would it be this?

> >> which uses WiFi for connectivity. You can
> >> lease real mobile SIMs from sites like https://speedyverify.com/ and do
> >> it ~anonymously using well-mixed Bitcoin.
> >>
> >
> >   and this site https://www.receive-sms-online.info/ is free, is not it
> the
> > same thing?
> Sites like that provide shared virtual mobile numbers. Some services
> won't accept them.

I'm going to test this week, but I think WhatsApp should accept this site.

> Also, phone numbers for WhatsApp accounts are really
> the account IDs. So you need something that's ~permanent. Using that
> site I linked, you actually buy SIMs. They just plug them into their
> system, when you need to use them. As far as I know, they don't charge
> "rent" for SIMs. You just buy "five uses" (or whatever) packages.

As anonymous, we do not need permanent or private WhatsApp accounts IDs.

> >> I don't know whether WhatsApp absolutely requires UDP.
> >
> >
> > Me neither, I saw this in a forum that talks about the ports used by
> > WhatsApp.
> >
> >
> >> If it does, then
> >> using Tor would be difficult. You'd probably need to route a TCP-based
> >> VPN service through it. Or instead, you could just use a VPN service, or
> >> better, a nested VPN chain. I could offer more information if you like.
> >>
> >
> > Of course I want any information that can solve this problem, 10 years
> ago
> > I look for a solution and I thought that now with the new technologies
> this
> > could be possible.
> Find out whether WhatsApp really needs UDP. If it does, you can email me
> off-list, and we can discuss options.

Reliable information would be from WhatsApp (WA) and I did not find them,
or from our tests. I thought about locking the UDP ports on my router and
see if the WA works.
I saw on the WA website that WA uses a proprietary protocol as well.
Yes, we can talk by PMs if needed, but at the moment I do not have much to
talk about, if you have, please PM me.

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