Re: [tor-talk] Inquiry about Vidalia/Tor bundle

[mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 08/27/2013 11:43 AM, Nathan Suchy wrote:

> It goes through a guard, middle, and exit node which does not anything
> about each other than the next and last hop. It is by far more secure. Its
> probably secure enough for anything. Even illegal speech. It should keep
> you safe.

Is that a joke?

Did you notice Roger Dingledine's comment: "From what I heard (it's
Windows-only so I haven't tried running it or decompiling it to find
out what it is really), it includes Foxyproxy, configured to only go
through Tor for a select set of sites that are commonly censored.
The rest of the sites bypass Tor."

Are you claiming that PirateBrowser in fact uses Tor for everything?

> On Aug 27, 2013 2:46 AM, "mirimir" <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> On 08/26/2013 11:08 PM, Roger Dingledine wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 05:58:22PM -0500, Missouri Anglers wrote:
>>>> I downloaded and installed "PirateBrowser" which is a Firefox
>>>> browser configured to use vidalia/tor.
>>>
>>> Not quite -- it is a bundle that includes a variety of software
>>> including Firefox, Vidalia, and Tor, configured in the way they
>>> wanted to configure it.
>>>
>>> Specifically, don't be confused into thinking this is a Tor product,
>>> or that it will keep you safe in some particular way.
>>>
>>> In fact, they even have a disclaimer saying that it's not an
>>> anonymity tool. And in this case that's not just a disclaimer, it's
>>> an accurate statement.
>>
>> That's true, but their disclaimer
>> <http://piratebrowser.ca/faq_piratebrowser.html> is still extremely
>> misleading:
>>
>>> Does it make me surf the net anonymously?
>>>
>>> No, Pirate Browser is not intended to be a TOR Browser, while it uses
>>> the Tor network, which is designed for anonymous surfing, this
>>> browser is ONLY intended to circumvent censorship. The Tor network is
>>> used to help route around the censoring / blocking of websites your
>>> government doesn't want you to know about.
>>>
>>> If you are looking for something more secure you may want to try a
>>> VPN like PrivacyIO.
>>
>> They could have at least pointed people at TBB!
>>
>>>> I assume this is simply just a browser set up to use an anonymous
>>>> proxy?
>>>
>>> From what I heard (it's Windows-only so I haven't tried running it
>>> or decompiling it to find out what it is really), it includes
>>> Foxyproxy, configured to only go through Tor for a select set of
>>> sites that are commonly censored. The rest of the sites bypass Tor.
>>
>> That should be clearly stated in the summary under "Search" at the top
>> of <http://piratebrowser.ca/>. What they're doing is totally reckless.
>>
>>>> I am not exactly a beginner when it comes to using anonymous
>>>> proxies. I have been gathering proxy lists, scanning them with
>>>> software to see if they are valid/anonymous and configuring my
>>>> browser to use them for years. However I am no expert.
>>>>
>>>> This Vidalia/Tor has me confused.
>>>
>>> Again, please remember this is somebody else's program, called
>>> Pirate Browser, and not anything made by Tor. Though it does include
>>> tools written by Tor, but tools-written-by-Tor only perform the way
>>> Tor had in mind if you configure them that way.
>>>
>>>> The program loads, connects to the Tor network and everything looks
>>>> and acts well. However when I check my stats at various websites
>>>> that I use such as (http://www.lagado.com/proxy-test) my IP address
>>>> is revealed along with my ISP amd other accurate information.
>>>>
>>>> I also checked https://check.torproject.org/ and it says that it is
>>>> not working.
>>>
>>> That sounds compatible with my Foxyproxy theory above.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps, --Roger
>>>
>>
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