Re: [tor-talk] webmail send while using TOR is tagged as spamends up in spam

[Sci Fith <scfith@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I'm surprised more people don't run their own mail. Using something like mailinabox (https://github.com/mail-in-a-box/mailinabox) wonder how hard it would be to fork it and create a version that is configured to use Tor / not leak DNS / etcetera. 

> On Jul 19, 2016, at 7:25 AM, MegaBrutal <megabrutal@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> 2016-07-19 7:13 GMT+02:00 Friet Pan <frietpan@xxxxxxxxx>:
>> 
>> So now i also wonder how many people on this list are not receiving THIS message.
> 
> It was tagged as SPAM, but luckily I always check my SPAM folder for
> false positives, so I unspammed it. This helps GMail to learn that
> this message is safe.
> 
> To be precise, I'm not entirely sure whether your mail was tagged as
> SPAM, or me's message who replied to it about an hour ago, since GMail
> organizes conversations into threads, and I just found the thread in
> the SPAM folder.
> 
>> 
>> I'm NOT a spammer. Can i sue yahoo for falsely tagging my mails as spam?  or better can TOR sue Yahoo? :-D and win and get a lot of money to put into development?
>> 
>> please have a look at dmarc.org it tries to explain in lawyer-ish speak how the yahoo, gmail, facebook aol, paypal, ebay, amazon cartel teamed together to force people to 'autenticate'
>> 
>> authenticate as in ...get a code that they can use to invade our privacy. (or is this my brain going into paranoia mode?)
>> 
>> can this be fixed?
>> 
> 
> Oh, boy... Flagging TOR-related messages as SPAM is only the top of
> the iceberg. The e-mail system is already very discriminative in order
> to filter SPAM, which would otherwise take the majority of mail
> traffic. Innocent until proven guilty does not apply here. For
> example, some providers block dynamic IPs by default. It bothers me
> because I run my own mail server from a dynamic IP, and I don't think
> it is fair to block my messages just because I happen to be sending
> them from a dynamically allocated IP, while I have no history of
> sending SPAM. Luckily, most providers use Spamhaus, and Spamhaus has a
> quick de-listing procedure, so every time my IP changes, I need to go
> to Spamhaus to de-list my IP. But it still causes a little pain in the
> ass. Not to mention that others may use a different blacklist, for
> example SORBS, which does not allow de-listing (or they have a long,
> complicated de-listing procedure, and in the end they would not allow
> me to de-list my dynamic IPs anyway).
> 
> So, can I sue those who list or block my messages because I send them
> from a dynamic IP? I don't think so. The case is not very different
> with TOR. For the higher anonimity of Tor, it has an even higher risk
> of SPAM, significantly higher than dynamic IPs – who knows, maybe the
> exit node you use was already used by spammers who were really sending
> SPAM out through Tor. Since there is no way to discern the users of a
> Tor exit node, there is no way to tell that you are not the same
> spammer who was sending spam through the same node earlier. If you
> think about it, Tor would be ideal for spammers to send spam, so
> likely they use it.
> 
> It sucks. Well-intentioned people are blocked because OTHERS were
> abusing services by spamming, or even worse, by using Tor to relay
> their SPAM, which is not really the purpose of Tor. Since there is no
> way to discern the good users from the bad ones, there is no way to
> solve this problem.
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