Re: [tor-talk] webmail send while using TOR is tagged as spamends up in spam

[Flipchan <flipchan@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Have u tried switching email provider? I had alot of problem with gmail but i switched

Friet Pan <frietpan@xxxxxxxxx> skrev: (25 juli 2016 14:37:00 CEST)
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>From: "me@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <me@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:42 AM
>Subject: Re: [tor-talk] webmail send while using TOR is tagged as
>spamends up in spam
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>Hello.
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>On 19.07.16 08:13, Friet Pan wrote:
>> i use yahoo to mail with mailinglists but i use TOR to connect to
>yahoo.
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>> tuns out that all my posts now end up in everyones spam folders.
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>> Is this because the tor exitnodes are used by spammers?
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>> or is every mail that was send from a TOR user falsely marked as
>spam?
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>> also the subscription confirmation email i received from this list
>ended up in yahoo's spam.
>I see that roughly 10% of messages from tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>from different people go into Gmail's spam folder. If you send a
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>via Yahoo's webmail, the message is sent from Yahoo's server, not from 
>Tor. So it's not likely that using Tor is relevant in your case.
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>Yahoo detects that i come from a tor exit node (known tor exit node, or
>known exit node that once was used to send spam perhaps??)
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>Anyway Yahoo then rates me as 'unauthenticated user' and adds a
>metatag? ot someting that google recognizes as 'unauthenticated'
>whatever that means...
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>And then in googles terms my mail is 'spam' in googles eyes.
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>That's WRONG. Since i send a normal mail to a normal mailing list. 
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>Now i cannot sue Google.. But Torproject is harmed by google, and
>yahoo, AOL, and the rest of the cartel. And all TOR users are affected.
> the cartel damages our privacy.
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>If the torproject cab sue the crap out of them and then use the money
>that comes out of that to improve TOR and our privacy. Then PLEASE DO!!
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>> So now i also wonder how many people on this list are not receiving
>THIS message.
>This message has not gone into the spam folder.
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>Since i did NOT sent THIS message trough TOR to make sure that it had a
>chance to come tough (at the expense of MY privacy)
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>> Can i sue yahoo for falsely tagging my mails as spam?  or better can
>TOR sue Yahoo? :-D and win and get a lot of money to put into
>development?
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>> please have a look at dmarc.org it tries to explain in lawyer-ish
>speak how the yahoo, gmail, facebook aol, paypal, ebay, amazon cartel
>teamed together to force people to 'autenticate'
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>> authenticate as in ...get a code that they can use to invade our
>privacy. (or is this my brain going into paranoia mode?)
>No spam filter is perfect. My advice: do something useful, dude,
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>of suing people providing you a service for free.
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>I know a way to block spam that is nearly perfect, though i'm not a
>developer, and don't have the skills to DIY it.  I want to share this
>idea, and discuss the details. But first i need to see that someone
>grasps the concept.
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>> can this be fixed?
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>> Or do we need a new email protocol that respects privacy by default, 
>decentralized, with whitelist and request to communicate and eventually
>a blacklist to be able to block extreme cases.
>Privacy is a broad term. I guess privacy means anonymity here. Then
>your 
>anonymity conflicts with my desire to throw away spam. How can I know 
>whether a message is a spam without reading it? One method is when an 
>algorithm reads the message. This method is employed in many mail 
>services. It is not perfect, as you see. Another method is when I read 
>only messages digitally signed and from people which I trust. This 
>method is more powerful than the previous and requires senders to
>reveal 
>their identity. You see now?
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>I *intentionally* use Gmail spam filter despite being able not to use 
>it. Because 95% of messages in the spam folder are real spam. Because 
>few people sign digitally their messages.
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>Googles spamfilter SUCKS it does allow spam to arrive in your mailbox.
>My idea does NOT allow spammers to even contact you, maybe one time... 
>but after that you can block them for life...
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>So spam doe not NEED a spambox when it doe not arrive,
>So phishing does not arrive (and know that your mailbox exists, simply
>because the spam did NOT bounce)
>So this is enough to keep your email addres on a spammers address list?
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>but this is only one part of the idea.  But it is the most essential
>part..
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>> is it enough to move away from yahoo, or will the same stuff happen
>when using another email provider?
>At least, a mail service of a paid web hoster allows you to turn off 
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>spam filtering.
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>But then it still allows spammers to send you spam on that address. :-)
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>catch 22222222 and a half.  I'm looking for a real solution that solves
>the CAUSE of the problem instead of 'pharmaceutical' medicating the
>effect, and keeping the cause where it is. (only to sell more crap to
>pamper the effect, and give you cancer on top of it that needs even
>more pharma shit)
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>Is that a good way to describe it?
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