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Re: [tor-talk] Non-free country law preventing Tor from getting donations

On 6/15/2014 2:52 PM, grarpamp wrote:
The code is open for inspection so it's not an overt issue, and the
cash funds a lot of good research.
I'm not accusing Tor Project of anything underhanded. And you are correct (it funds a lot of research). I'm saying, to the public & many potential users, perception is reality, and you're judged by the company you keep.

In general, those human behaviors / concepts are inescapable.

In regards to the code being open for inspection, apparently that doesn't mean a whole lot.

Though most of the "hidden" backdoors, etc., associated w/ gov't action have been proprietary, there have been a few cases where "strange" things in open source code were hidden well enough, that no one discovered them for a long time. If I'm wrong, I stand corrected.

Seriously, how many people that don't work on Tor / TBB code every day, could just "look" at the code & understand every single thing it does, down to the tiniest detail? Or how many people actually have the time to examine every single line of code, that also have the expertise to understand everything, to the smallest detail? Not many.

If that's not significant, the NSA has spent billions (w/ a 'B') - to encourage companies & countries to do what they want. They also developed skills & a network, that most people thought unimaginable. Like science fiction. That's now a fact. When I mentioned that potential capability a few yrs ago, that idea was shot down by Mr. Perry. In his defense, he was in good company - most people couldn't imagine they could ever do the things that actually became true.

That said, if NSA & who knows who else, will pay tens or hundreds of millions to companies & countries to get what they want, they *certainly* would spend whatever it took to set up enough of their own relays to capture a significant % of Tor traffic. Still think that's impossible? Read ALL of the released Snowden document. I heard Snowden say in recent interview, there are more documents coming - probably this Summer - that are just as mind blowing, or more, than any so far.

OK - but what about Tor's encryption? Well, it may be uncrackable today, but what about in a month? The NSA & many other gov'ts have literally the best computer minds in the world, working around the clock on breaking encryption. No, a lot of others (much more informed than me) don't think the gov't is going to sit around & do nothing, while terrorists or other heinous criminals use encrypted communication.

And some (naive) people may not know this, but gov'ts *don't announce* when they develop technology that revolutionizes spying or catching terrorists, etc. It would be shooting themselves in the foot. The Snowden papers were almost a once in several lifetimes event. And if we think the NSA (or any gov't agency in the world) will stop illegal activities, just because some papers were released, we probably also believe in Santa Clause. Heads of the NSA were caught straight up, telling bald-faced lies under oath to Congress, but all are still employed. Happy as pigs in the mud. If I had done that, I'd be *under* the jail right now.

Yes, I believe the NSA & other agencies have a job to do. The question, how far do they actually have to go?
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